Can't we just all get along...

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While a member of this BBS, I have noticed a bias towards Voyager. Some members seem to see Voyager as the Black Sheep of the Trek family, I am in the aerospace industry and have no problems with ANY of Trek Series, they are all different, and in being different they attract different type people. Why can't we just appriciate the differences between the series and the audience they attract. To quote Rodney King
"Can't we just all get Along"...LLAP

 

[Nardpuncher]

I didn't like the show and there aren't a lot of fans that don't. Yes, there are some ( heck, we could do a poll) that do, but I'd bet a Coke that the number that don't outweigh those that do 3 to 1.
I didn't just pick one Trek out of a hat not to like. From what I remember it was a poorly written show with boring/annoying characters that slowly got worse by bringing in 7 of 9 who was their throwaway character that would ask question about humanity as Data would, but seemed to show some sort of derision for humans at the same time. That made no sense. Also, they turned the Borg from a htreat that should have been used sparingly to heighten the sense of fear to something boring.

 

[JNG]

While a member of this BBS, I have noticed a bias towards Voyager. Some members seem to see Voyager as the Black Sheep of the Trek family, I am in the aerospace industry and have no problems with ANY of Trek Series, they are all different, and in being different they attract different type people. Why can't we just appriciate the differences between the series and the audience they attract. To quote Rodney King
"Can't we just all get Along"...LLAP

Just curious: what does being in the aerospace industry have to do with it?

 

[2 of 10]

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Glad you asked, the question in question was, was there to much Treknobabble in Voyager? As a person who works in the industry of putting people and things into space, I work in a "Technobabble" enviroment. And, yes to the layman who is not familiar with my speak it might sound a bit weird, however, where I happen to work it is normal speak. The point being, that in the 24th century, we have no idea how people involved in space travel will express their ideas and solutions to problems and I find it funny that some people who are not familiar with the Speak are so ready to condemn it, as being to much Technobabble for one to understand...

 

[KirksFlyingFist]

While a member of this BBS, I have noticed a bias towards Voyager. Some members seem to see Voyager as the Black Sheep of the Trek family, I am in the aerospace industry and have no problems with ANY of Trek Series, they are all different, and in being different they attract different type people. Why can't we just appriciate the differences between the series and the audience they attract. To quote Rodney King
"Can't we just all get Along"...LLAP

I don't see any reason why there should be such hostility between fans. I don't like voyager, but I understand full well that there are those who very much so do. It's not my business to tell other people what to like, so I don't, and I respect other people for liking/disliking whatever they choose, as I'd hope others would do for me. The problem is a lot of people take others opinions as personal insults on themselves. Another is that people don't know when to agree to disagree, which can draw out long unnecessary arguments.

 

[Lucy of Nine]

I am a huge Voyager fan so when people say things like "it was a crap series", I take offence because I love it and it's what got me into Star Trek. I am not a fan of the OS, but I wouldnt say things like 'it was a crap series' because they're are people out there that love it, and just because I dont like it doesnt me that my opinion is the be all and end all ...
Each to their own... its all Star Trek... which ultimately is a good thing!

 

[Lynx]

While a member of this BBS, I have noticed a bias towards Voyager. Some members seem to see Voyager as the Black Sheep of the Trek family, I am in the aerospace industry and have no problems with ANY of Trek Series, they are all different, and in being different they attract different type people. Why can't we just appriciate the differences between the series and the audience they attract. To quote Rodney King
"Can't we just all get Along"...LLAP

I agree with you here. I consider myself a fan of Voyager as well, although a rather critical fan when it comes to certain aspects of the show.

As I see it, Voyager had the best and most interesting characters and the best premise for a Star Trek show. Unfortunately, a lot of the premise was ruined by bad writing and bad decisions. Despite that, the show has it's golden moments and to be honest, none of the other Trek shows has been perfect either.

Sometimes there is too much of pointless bashing, as when people jump in and write something like "Voyager was crap and all characters were crap and that character sucked". Why don't go for a constructive debate instead.

As for getting along, I must state that what I can see, we are actually getting along pretty good at the TrekBBS these days, despite some fierce exchanges of opinions which might happen from time to time. It's far from what it used to be 5-6 years ago when there were a lot more bickering and far from certain other forums where there seems to be constant arguing and fighting.

 

[blaXXer]

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Glad you asked, the question in question was, was there to much Treknobabble in Voyager? As a person who works in the industry of putting people and things into space, I work in a "Technobabble" enviroment. And, yes to the layman who is not familiar with my speak it might sound a bit weird, however, where I happen to work it is normal speak. The point being, that in the 24th century, we have no idea how people involved in space travel will express their ideas and solutions to problems and I find it funny that some people who are not familiar with the Speak are so ready to condemn it, as being to much Technobabble for one to understand...

Yeah, maybe, but this isn'T an actual representation of he 24th century but a show to entertain.

 

[Praetorian]

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Glad you asked, the question in question was, was there to much Treknobabble in Voyager? As a person who works in the industry of putting people and things into space, I work in a "Technobabble" enviroment. And, yes to the layman who is not familiar with my speak it might sound a bit weird, however, where I happen to work it is normal speak. The point being, that in the 24th century, we have no idea how people involved in space travel will express their ideas and solutions to problems and I find it funny that some people who are not familiar with the Speak are so ready to condemn it, as being to much Technobabble for one to understand...

And it is! Technobabble is meaningless. I can understand when they use it to give the show some air of "futurist science" but as a source of drama and worse..as a resolution? Inexcusable.

 

[Kaziarl]

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Glad you asked, the question in question was, was there to much Treknobabble in Voyager? As a person who works in the industry of putting people and things into space, I work in a "Technobabble" enviroment. And, yes to the layman who is not familiar with my speak it might sound a bit weird, however, where I happen to work it is normal speak. The point being, that in the 24th century, we have no idea how people involved in space travel will express their ideas and solutions to problems and I find it funny that some people who are not familiar with the Speak are so ready to condemn it, as being to much Technobabble for one to understand...

And it is! Technobabble is meaningless. I can understand when they use it to give the show some air of "futurist science" but as a source of drama and worse..as a resolution? Inexcusable.

I wonder what cave men would think of a lighter??? I mean, where's the drama and struggle when it comes to making a fire. And talk about a solution to a problem, all we have to do is flic a bic and there ya go. Darn technobabble ruining things...

 

[TheGodBen]

While a member of this BBS, I have noticed a bias towards Voyager. Some members seem to see Voyager as the Black Sheep of the Trek family, I am in the aerospace industry and have no problems with ANY of Trek Series, they are all different, and in being different they attract different type people. Why can't we just appriciate the differences between the series and the audience they attract. To quote Rodney King
"Can't we just all get Along"...LLAP

I've only been a member here for about two months and I have certainly not seen a bias toward Voyager. I have seen a big bias against it though.

Why do I dislike Voyager? I believe I have explained it to you in the past, but here I go again: It had a great premise that was ignored most of the time. Poor characterisation. Overuse of technobabble as a solution to the problem of the week. Sub-par dialogue. Neelix. Unscary Borg. Failure to explore deep issues about humanity. Reuse of TNG stories. Reset button. The way Braga treated Ron Moore. Poor continuity. Endgame.

It also had the misfortune of running across from DS9 which was excelling at trying new things in the Trek universe, and this made the flaws in Voyager all the more noticeable. Current comparisons to nuBSG also makes Voyager look bad.

I don't judge those who liked the show because art is subjective, but I think that Voyager was sub-par. I don't want future Trek series to go down that road so I'm going to make my voice heard on this issue; I want any future Trek production to be more like DS9 and less like Voyager and expressing myself on a message board is all that I can do to make Trek better. It's not much, but it is all I've got.

You want to express your opinion that Voyager is great? Go ahead, that is your right. Just don't go trying to take away my right to criticise something you like just because you take it as a personal affront for some odd reason.

 

[trevanian]

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Glad you asked, the question in question was, was there to much Treknobabble in Voyager? As a person who works in the industry of putting people and things into space, I work in a "Technobabble" enviroment. And, yes to the layman who is not familiar with my speak it might sound a bit weird, however, where I happen to work it is normal speak. The point being, that in the 24th century, we have no idea how people involved in space travel will express their ideas and solutions to problems and I find it funny that some people who are not familiar with the Speak are so ready to condemn it, as being to much Technobabble for one to understand...

And it is! Technobabble is meaningless. I can understand when they use it to give the show some air of "futurist science" but as a source of drama and worse..as a resolution? Inexcusable.

I wonder what cave men would think of a lighter??? I mean, where's the drama and struggle when it comes to making a fire. And talk about a solution to a problem, all we have to do is flic a bic and there ya go. Darn technobabble ruining things...

You need to set something up to pay it off. Having someone say something that means nothing to the audience -- a tech-minded audience OR an ass-backwards one -- and use that as a plot turn or solution, is utter bullshit. Right off the top of my head, I remember Picard pulls something out of the tech advisor's ass at the end of the first Barclay show about getting the engine to unclog or somesuch, and it was so utterly arbitrary it almost wrecked a very enjoyable ep for me.

From what I recall, VOYAGER seemed to consist almost entirely of this kind of solution (which is too bad, because I thought it looked pretty sharp inside the ship, but that was not enough to keep me watching for long.)

 

[Semah]

Voyager had Threshold. And an episode where they shot a hole in the event horizon of a black hole to escape it. And The Hansons. And the ship constantly escaping from situations it had no right to by "Subrouting the inverse reactions of the deflector dish."


If you like that sort of thing, more power to you. But I'm gonna call crap crap when I see it.

 

[Piper]

I'm one of of those who don't think that VOY was a very good series, and am perfectly happy to say why I don't, but that doesn't mean I have the slightest problem with anyone who thinks differently - life would be very dull if we all thought the same.

 

[Lord Garth]

Voyager isn't my favorite Star Trek series (that would be TOS), and I've gone back and forth with the series over the years, but I like it a lot better than Enterprise. VOY's premise was something I was looking forward to seeing when I first read about it.

Unlike the '90s, at least now I know which episodes to skip when I want to revisit it. The same as when I'm wathcing any other Star Trek series for Old Time's Sake.

If anyone likes VOY as their favorite series, and says so, that's fine with me. People should be "allowed" to like or dislike whatever they want. I'm an advocate of free thought.

 

[dreadpiraterose]

While a member of this BBS, I have noticed a bias towards Voyager. Some members seem to see Voyager as the Black Sheep of the Trek family, I am in the aerospace industry and have no problems with ANY of Trek Series, they are all different, and in being different they attract different type people. Why can't we just appriciate the differences between the series and the audience they attract. To quote Rodney King
"Can't we just all get Along"...LLAP

Really? I'd say Enterprise and its fans are looked down upon FAR more than Voyager fans.

 

[Kaziarl]

And it is! Technobabble is meaningless. I can understand when they use it to give the show some air of "futurist science" but as a source of drama and worse..as a resolution? Inexcusable.

I wonder what cave men would think of a lighter??? I mean, where's the drama and struggle when it comes to making a fire. And talk about a solution to a problem, all we have to do is flic a bic and there ya go. Darn technobabble ruining things...

You need to set something up to pay it off. Having someone say something that means nothing to the audience -- a tech-minded audience OR an ass-backwards one -- and use that as a plot turn or solution, is utter bullshit. Right off the top of my head, I remember Picard pulls something out of the tech advisor's ass at the end of the first Barclay show about getting the engine to unclog or somesuch, and it was so utterly arbitrary it almost wrecked a very enjoyable ep for me.

From what I recall, VOYAGER seemed to consist almost entirely of this kind of solution (which is too bad, because I thought it looked pretty sharp inside the ship, but that was not enough to keep me watching for long.)

For us it might not help with the story telling. But my point is, for all we know it could be perfectly normal to use tech as much as they do. Just like we use a lighter to start a fire, or penicillin to cure illness. Instead of rubbing two sticks together and using leaches.

To our ancestors, things we take for granted might sound like technobabble, just like things our decedents might create will likely sound like technobabble to us. If I understood it correctly, thats what the op was trying to say.

 

[3D Master]

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Glad you asked, the question in question was, was there to much Treknobabble in Voyager? As a person who works in the industry of putting people and things into space, I work in a "Technobabble" enviroment. And, yes to the layman who is not familiar with my speak it might sound a bit weird, however, where I happen to work it is normal speak. The point being, that in the 24th century, we have no idea how people involved in space travel will express their ideas and solutions to problems and I find it funny that some people who are not familiar with the Speak are so ready to condemn it, as being to much Technobabble for one to understand...

Whether or not it is understandable isn't the problem.

Voyager is a DRAMA show, you need DRAMA, it's not a 24th century tech manual.

Now if the technobabble supports the drama it is a good thing, however if it becomes the resolution of the drama, it takes away the drama.

See the problem?

 

[john titor]

Technobabble can also be a problem if its a byword for a deus ex solution which makes no sense. I dislike Voy on the whole, I watched every episode, tried to get into it but the characters were terrible. When 7 arrived she steadily became more irritating and every episode seemed to revolve around her after that.

 

[Semah]

GodBen put it best in another thread:

But technobabble does dumb down the show; the cast speaks a load of gibberish, then a pretty light comes out of the deflector dish, and then the problem goes away. An intelligent solution is one where the crew has to out-think a problem using tactics, technobabble can be written by anyone.

As for the worst offender; Voyager. Not only did they have more technobabble, they had more nonsensical technobabble.