Canonicity
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We wish... but according to Janeway, that salamander thing totally happened.
Nah
Nah. This isn't a democracy. And if it was, fans wouldn't get a vote.
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What are we calling a "sillier Trek" for this?
I know people will probably say Lower Decks, given that it's animated and a comedy, but "Spock's Brain" is sitting right there as TOS canon too. If that's canon, then everything else as silly as that episode has to be too.
I,Mudd has a few silly moments. As do the Tribble episodes. I'm sure the Berman shows do too. Silly is canon.
IP ownership certainly isn’t the decisive vote no matter how much they wish it was.
It's the only vote.
That would make conversations very confusing.
Only those who own the IP can declare what is or isn't official canon.
Anything else is personal/head canon.
That movie is still canon though, so I'm not sure what your point is?It's capitalism and the customers always get the final votes, especially in the age of streaming.
See Solo: A Star Wars Story
Offtopic, but I still someday wish someone to explain to me what is so bat about that episode. The brain reimplant operation by McCoy was very tense as I remember. To this day the word "neurosurgeon" is incredibly loaded.
Holy sh-- I mean, Indeed.
Has it been decanonised because of its poor performance?It's capitalism and the customers always get the final votes, especially in the age of streaming.
See Solo: A Star Wars Story
That...doesn't make it less canon.It's capitalism and the customers always get the final votes, especially in the age of streaming.
See Solo: A Star Wars Story
It has. Lucas is personally going door to door in search of it to erase it from the archive record.
Spock's Brain.
Profit and Lace.
Up the Long Ladder.
Catspaw, complete with it's own cat.
Rascals (though I personally enjoy it is extremely silly)
Qpid.
Qless
Q and the Grey.
That's off the top of my head.
Oh, and get the cheese to Sickbay!
I largely treat anything set after DS9 to be an unknown.
I repeat my statement
This is the equivalent of Catholics who don't accept Vatican II.
I mean you can think that way, but the church is the church and at that point you're practicing your own religion, not the official canon version that the church and the Pope stand behind. It's no longer Catholicism.
People can accept what they want, but just like Catholicism is whatever the Holy See of Rome says it is, Star Trek is whatever Paramount says it is as long as they hold the rights. People can reject a show or episodes and think they suck, but they can't redefine Star Trek anymore than traditionalists can tell the Pope what Catholicism is.
As far as I'm concerned, something released on screen as an official Star Trek series is canon, and always will be canon. No amount of fan hate can 'decanonize' it.
And (and this may be a more controversial opinion) in my view, neither can TPTB 'decanonize' earlier material simply because they don't happen to like it. It is out there; it was released officially back at the time; it is canon.
So, in my personal view I would not accept Paramount decanonizing, say, Threshold today - even though they're in their legal rights to do so as it is their property. However, I would accept an explanation such as 'it never really happened, it was just a wild dream Tom had or one of his crazy holodeck fantasies', or something the like. But the episode itself exists, is part of how Voyager was released, and its existence in the series cannot be 'erased' by any official statement.
Not unless the I.P. owner says there is. Until or unless the I.P. owner says otherwise, the only thing that's canon is what's onscreen.
Don't be ridiculous. I.P. ownership is the only vote when it comes to what is and is not part of the canon. All the angry Song of Ice and Fire fans in the world can't remove A Dance with Dragons from the Song of Ice and Fire canon; all the angry Trek fans in the world can't remove Star Trek: Discovery from the Star Trek canon. Only the I.P. owners -- George R.R. Martin or Paramount -- get any say whatsoever, because it's literally their property.
Nope.
especially in the age of streaming.
See Solo: A Star Wars Story
See the series finale of The Sopranos, "Made in America." Fans were infuriated at its ending; it's still part of the Sopranos canon. Same with Season Eight of Game of Thrones.
And Solo: A Star Wars Story is still part of the Star Wars canon.
Of course they can. It's their property.
There’s a vocal number of fans that say “canon doesn’t matter”
Maybe it doesn’t to them. The shared continuity certainly does matter to me. Indeed I stopped watching “superman and Lois” after it was clear it wasn’t the same universe as the arrowverse.
For me, the value tends to increase as the size of the world increases.
Maybe it doesn’t to them. The shared continuity certainly does matter to me. Indeed I stopped watching “superman and Lois” after it was clear it wasn’t the same universe as the arrowverse.
For me, the value tends to increase as the size of the world increases.
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