CANCELLED

[PeeWee's USS Lollipop]

I will also say this:

To me the appeal of trek was that it delivered human centered (and often sentimental) stories in a science fiction setting. In doing so it was unique and alone in its genre.

I don't know what the hell I was watching for the first three years of this shows life, but it certainly wasn't that!

"Spere Builders Future Guy, Xindi" and people lubbing one anothers orifices

What drivel.

Shame about Coto etc and what he was trying to do, but B&B's lack of respect for their audience shone through all the way and doomed the franchise in the end.

 

[denodaeus]

Posted by PeeWee's USS Lollipop:
Well please explain it to me then.

The acting was poor, writing terrible, and over-all story structure more often then not sub-standard.

Those rating didn't keep sliding because some magic wizard was waving his wand you know.

IMO the show was simply dire for most of its life. 18 pages irrespective.

Explain? We'll I'll try my best. Appologies to the moderators in advance.

I find it appalling that you would take the time to come onto the Enterprise section of the forum, and join in on an Enterprise thread, and without some way of substantiating your reasoning, you blatantly disregard the thoughts and feelings for the others just to stir a few flames (like me) in the cauldron.

You're entitled to your opinion, but the opinion is meaningless if you don't have any conclusive evidence to back it up. Conclusive does not equal the obviousness that the show has been cancelled, at least not to the community who's listed under the section "Enterprise" on TrekBBS.

I respect the opinion of others who do not like the show, but to come here and approach the matter in that tone, well, as I said, is appalling and unappreciated.

 

[denodaeus]

Posted by PeeWee's USS Lollipop:
I will also say this:

To me the appeal of trek was that it delivered human centered (and often sentimental) stories in a science fiction setting. In doing so it was unique and alone in its genre.

Now this is a slightly better, and more substantiated, way to address your complaints about the show.

"Spere Builders Future Guy, Xindi" and people lubbing one anothers orifices

What drivel.

This is not. Again, I'm sorry to say anything about this to the moderators, because I know it's not necessarily my place, but man, Also, you misspelled the word "sphere."

 

[PeeWee's USS Lollipop]

Oh please, it was just some dumb throw away insult on a show I didn't think very much off.

If it upset you in any real way...well, I'm sorry.

Anyway, you still haven't told me why the show wasn't terrible!

 

[PeeWee's USS Lollipop]

Posted by denodaeus:
This is not. Again, I'm sorry to say anything about this to the moderators, because I know it's not necessarily my place, but man, Also, you misspelled the word "sphere."

You're right I should have edited that. It should read "people lubbing one anothers orifices ON A WEEKLY BASIS"

 

[Top41]

Alright, guys, cool it. PeeWee, you can criticize the show but the comment about the fans being 12 and under was out of line. Let's just please keep it civil in here.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm DEVASTATED!!!!!!

Have been all week.

Found out Tuesday afternoon from sibling in NYC.
Have been mopeing all week.

Decision was made at the VERY TOP level, by you-know-who, on Monday afternoon.
(A**HOLE!)

Last minute attempts by interested parties with late night phone calls went to no avail.

I was so confident of other outcome right up till sister called Tuesday afternoon, thank God I had to work that evening or I would have fired off a really vulgar and crudely-nasty email!

Have calmed down since but still in a state of shock.

My apologies to all those who's hope were right up there with mine, my confidence in my sisters tid-bits just goes to show that ya can't second guess ONE PERSON's mind.

Sometimes even the ones-who-know, don't really know.

Just goes to show that these entertainment CEO's really do have the power of 'Life & Death' in the industry.


I still wanna shove a hot poker up somebodys......

...ah well.....

No sense in getting my blood boiling again.

David

 

[PeeWee's USS Lollipop]

OK Top, as I say, I'M SORRY. Just a throw away comment.

Anyway...I'm still waiting for someone to say hand on heart the show was up to much for most of its time on air.

Not stirring, just wanting a bit of debate here!

 

[dubeau]

First, i still think that syndication was a bad move from the start, because mainly the Star Trek audience was always on non syndicated TV. You can't give something and decide to go back on it. The fact that Paramount and Bergman couldn't see such a simple evidence is ridiculous, and speaks loudly against their judgement.

About the show. Apart some characters, most of the crew were not proefficient at acting their charaters. And it started with Bakula. Quite frankly, i don't find him good enouph to be the main lead. He did not convince me 3 years ago, and he is not convincing me now either... But to be fair, they got 2 very lousy first seasons to start with...the season 3 was good but with an extremely long arc. Even I got tired of it in the end, and they probabely loose even more audience at the end of that season. Now they are taking the Farscape route with smaller story arcs, but it was really too late anyway...

So, if they want another Star Trek series, they better be ready to put it on a national channel, because if they go again for UPN, Sci-Fi or syndicated, be ready for another short one.

 

[Anter72]

Posted by dubeau:
So, if they want another Star Trek series, they better be ready to put it on a national channel, because if they go again for UPN, Sci-Fi or syndicated, be ready for another short one.

I agree entirely.

 

[cooleddie74]

Putting a new TREK show on UPN would be akin to sticking one's wet finger in a light socket...losing it from the first knuckle down...and then going back a couple of years later with the next good finger and a glass of water to "do it RIGHT this time around...no screw-ups!"

The socket's still gonna burn and shock. UPN has proven it's little more than a women's-urban/hip-hop-reality programming network anymore. And a FRICKIN' awful one at that.

 

[blakbyrd]

I agree.

 

[PeeWee's USS Lollipop]

Posted by dubeau:
About the show. Apart some characters, most of the crew were not proefficient at acting their charaters. And it started with Bakula. Quite frankly, i don't find him good enouph to be the main lead. He did not convince me 3 years ago, and he is not convincing me now either

Yes, but had a proficent producer been in charge either A, long chats would have been had with the actor on what "take" they were looking for or, B, the character would have been changed to something Bakula could play.

The fact he was just allowed to keep on playing the same cardboard cut out for so long speaks volumes.

 

[denodaeus]

Posted by PeeWee's USS Lollipop:

Posted by denodaeus:
This is not. Again, I'm sorry to say anything about this to the moderators, because I know it's not necessarily my place, but man, Also, you misspelled the word "sphere."

You're right I should have edited that. It should read "people lubbing one anothers orifices ON A WEEKLY BASIS"

 

[denodaeus]

Posted by PeeWee's USS Lollipop:
Oh please, it was just some dumb throw away insult on a show I didn't think very much off.

If it upset you in any real way...well, I'm sorry.

Anyway, you still haven't told me why the show wasn't terrible!

And you didn't, I was just being a smart ass

 

[cooleddie74]

^
Something I pioneered and copyrighted LONG ago.

 

[Top41]

Posted by PeeWee's USS Lollipop:
OK Top, as I say, I'M SORRY. Just a throw away comment.

Anyway...I'm still waiting for someone to say hand on heart the show was up to much for most of its time on air.

Not stirring, just wanting a bit of debate here!

I appreciate the apology. And debate is always good, but remember that a lot of people do think this show was good or great and they're entitled to their opinions, too.

 

[sfc34]

Posted by PeeWee's USS Lollipop:
To me the appeal of trek was that it delivered human centered (and often sentimental) stories in a science fiction setting. In doing so it was unique and alone in its genre.

Nail - hit - head.

How many "The Visitors" did ent make?



"It's *life*, Jake -- you can miss it if you don't open your eyes."



"You still have time to make a better life for yourself -- promise me you'll DO that!"



Ent replies with? Decon scenes.


*shakes head and walks away - knowing it could have been so much more had they cared*

 

[The Alaskan]

Yes, it's an unfortunate habit that Berman and Braga did their level best to appeal to the horny fanboys. All they wanted to do was give them jerk-off material for the next week or so.

Something Positive, one of my favorite web comics, had this to say:

For the record, I stopped watching ages ago up until the Forge episode because I really wanted to know more about Vulcan history - even if they didn't do the best job of showing it. After that it started to get good. All sarcasm and shit aside, this season has improved much.

 

[Guest]

^^^

Ha Ha Ha That is great