Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by Mooch, Feb 2, 2005.
I am still pissed off at the fact that Star Trek is over! what am I going to do, Star Trek is my life, and its been my hobbie for four years on the internet, fan for 22 years. What the hell am I going to do now?
You may or may not believe this, but, about two or three years ago, I brought up the idea of introducing "space nazis" to trek. I said they should have "pale skin and red eyes" I said nazis had been in trek before, and were the quintessential bad guys, so would be a good idea (you may or may not agree)
I was trying to be positive about the show, looking for the best, and trying to offer constructive criticism at the time. So maybe that's why somebody noticed what I said.
Anyway, if somebody read that and listened, maybe someone will read this. (deluding myself here I know)
What the hell were the Xindi all about?
The time for season 4 was season 1/2.
How could you have got it SO wrong
In the immortal words of William Shatner: "Get a life!"
(This is a JEST, I just couldn't resist the opening - I'm as po'ed as anyone about ENT's cancellation as my posts of the last two days indicate, but as someone who lived through the 'lean' time of the 1970ies; you'll live)
From someone with the same surname as me funnily enough.
I'm sure somebody up there is trying to tell me I was right here!
If we have been robbed, then please try to remember that we were not robbed by Paramount nor by its executive powers. The powers that be are concerned with only one thing. Profits.
Now, some say that the suits interfered with the series by making the writers introduce the Trip/T'Pol romance (if you could call it that) into the mix in season three.
But think about this a minute. If the ratings had been all that good to begin with, would the powers have interfered? I don't think so. Remember the first episode of this series had over 11 million viewers. So, where did they all go?
I can tell you where they went. Some of them took one look at Brannon's version of TREK and decided that they did not like his revised version. They walked away immediately. Others like myself remained hopeful that this series would address some real issues and thought that maybe, just maybe the writers might be able to pull it off.
But with each glaring continuity violation, it just got harder and harder to turn a blind eye. So, by the time season three rolled around, viewership was down to about 4 million hard core viewers. At that point in time, the suits got involved and of course it was bring on the Trip/T'Pol romance. Unfortunately, the number of 'shippers is vastly overestimated.
On top of that, in order to get the two together, the writers had to virtually destroy T'Pol's character by turning her into a junkie. After all, why get creative and find a more palatable solution for her to get her in bed with the handsome engineer when you can use the high profile gimmick and make her a crack ho?
This one got me to stop watching the show for practically the rest of season three. In fact, I was really perturbed by the fact that depending upon which episode you watched, Vulcan females go into ponn farr and then they don't go into ponn farr. Or not all Vulcans can mind meld but wait, yes they can all mind meld.
See, the problem as I see it is really simple. Arrogance. Brannon forgot that every artist has patrons. Brannon forgot who his patrons really are. It is not the people who cut his paycheck. It is his customers who either tune in every week or do not.
They did not accept his version of things. It was arrogant of him to believe that we the viewers would simply accept just anything that he put out there as long as it had the word TREK on it.
America (who knows? maybe there's an opening for a wrier on BSG? Oh yeah, that's right, Brannon kind of messed on Ron Moore, didn't he? Oh well...)
Although I agree with much of what you say, I can't say that I agree with the reduction of many viewers because of gross continuity violations. In my honest opinion, other than the few instances few and far between, Enterprise really didn't have too many (and quite honestly, other Trek series have had more -- remember the first episode of DS9?).
I contribute the decline in viewership as something similar with all new series on television. Most hyped up pilots draw a lot of viewers, and then ween off really really fast to more of a core audience. Enterprise had a lot of press and was being hyped as the next era of Trek, so naturally many people tuned in to the first episode.
For the rest of us, we left because the general storytelling was so bad there wasn't something else to cling on to.
Yes, I was disappointed in this news. After all, I regard this franchise as the best of the lot--well, potentially, anyway--and for the first time I didn't feel the need to cringe at some of the touchy feely, weenie sorts of things in past series. In fact, this series, I feel, has been the most "adult" of them all. They kept things low key--a failing?--and I thought all the characters were more credible and believable.
As one who's been a fan since the beginning--and you can tell how old I must be--I consider Enterprise to have been a bit daring in breaking with some of the cliches. For example, the opening sequence of the show, using a rock song for the theme, etc.. And thus I really stuck with it, because I felt that although some of the stories were 'retreads', I thought, well, it'll start cooking after maybe 4 or 5 seasons, like Voyager did.
This season has been very very good. Well, with the exception of "daedalus" and "observer effect", the episodes were touching on TOS elements, and therefore most familiar to me. It's fun to revisit that realm. (Though plucking the Organians out of an old story and turning them into the bad guys really rubbed me the wrong way--it's one thing to expand on a legend, it's quite another to TINKER with it!!!)
Yes, count me in with the numbers of the faithful who are mighty disappointed. This single program was why I got cable! (I'd been watching it for 2 years on a distant over the air station!) And so now it's going out.
Well, at least there'll be the rest of the season--did I miss something?--USA Today implied it will be on the entire season; those episodes that remain.
The next episode will be on in a half hour from now. And then what? In the immortal words of Homer Simpson; "Now I have to face stupid REALITY again!" All I know is my week will be a lot less fun.
Thanks to all who made Enterprise, and starred in it. (Despite the short sightedness of those in higher places.)
You gave an old Trekker something to believe in again.
The only thing left for us to do now is remember this event and not support UPN by watching ANY of its stupid shows, or support Paramount by giving them any money with our purchases.
I never watch UPN anyway. In fact, I rarely watch Enterprise anymore.
Sorry to see this happening but I and a few others predicted back in season one this show would probably be cancelled season four.
I have two things to say:
1.) Too little too late Manny. Nice try and good job.
2.)Don't care what the fans think Rick? Fuck you!!!
I'd go farther. No more Star Trek series on UPN!
They kill what they don't understand.
Sadly, UPN isn't the only network that's taken this attitude towards SF&F. Fans of Angel and of Firefly can tell you all about how ignorant the WB and FOX execs are. The thing that bugs me most about this is that, even though I can't count myself a fan of Enterprise's early years, I've really been enjoying Season 4. It figures that they'd can the damn thing just when it was at its best!
I'm not basher of ENT, but I will say this: ENT fucked up. Accept it.
In more polite terms, no other show would have been given so many chances to get it's shit together. The first season alone saw a drop in eight million viewers, and season two lost another million folks. And despite continually sinking ratings last year, ENT was renewed AGAIN, at a lower price.
This is because--and only because--it was "Star Trek." Plain and simple.
Had this been on a real network, this show wouldn't have made it past Febuaray sweeps of 2002.
Agreed, "Star Trek" saved it from ending sooner. However, ST was also a hampering effect--because its fanbase was likely pre-determined. Offend too many---and SPLAT.
That's the thing. TPTB thought they could get away with anything on ENT because Trek fans will eat up anything.
There was a post recently from a person who said they hated VOY with a passion, but would have been upset had it been short-changed seven seasons. After all, it was part of a franchise that inspired millions, this person said, even if VOY itself did not. And not to insult any particular person, but it's this type of thinking that lead B&B to believe they could be lazy about ENT for six year, then throw in the Romulan war stuff in season seven and the fanbase would luv it.
It's because of the fans like Ptrope, Stewey, Sam Cogley, the Realist, along with the other 9 million viewers who refused to watch what they considered to be subpar Trek that Bermaga put any effort at all into season three. Last season was very patchy, but at least there was some sort of visable cognitive thought put into at least half the episodes. I can't say that for the first two season, or most of VOY for that matter.
Hahahahaha! That's right! It's the 70's all over again. Shit!
Ok, there's one more thing I feel I shoudl add, since this is Post numer 997, and it's going to be closed soon.
Had ENT been cancelled in season two, I don't think there would have ever been any hope of ressurection in the future. The last memories of ENT would have been Archer doing the "breast"...er, "best" he could, T'Pol running around in her skivvies all horny and shit, and bland, bland stories that would have been long forgoteen by now. I sincerly doutb Save Enetrprise or The Enterprise Project would have been formed.
But now, ENT has had one of the best seasons of Trek since DS9 left the airwaves in 1999. The fans that are still here are waiting for the next episdoe every week instead of tuning in because it's what they've done ever since Encounter at Fairpoint preimiered back in 1987. In short, it will be remember fondly by the few that have stuck by it through thck and thin, and those few will encourage those who gave up on it to watch seasons three and four. And perhaps the number of ENT fans will grow to see that this show isn't half-bad.
And perhaps someday oin the future, we will be Archer and his crew again in a mini-series, or TV movie. Who knows? We may even get that Romulan war movie.
It's probably for the best that this show is being axed at its prime.
Is it time for the CANCELED-2 thread?
Didn't know there was a limit -- I'm 999!!!
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