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Hey guys lets chill. Stop giving the moderators such a hard time.
Star Trek: Enterprise was an adventure. As a follower of all four seasons but not a fan until the end of season three (when I find it compelling to make this sn), I ultimately hope that, years down the road, people would rediscover Enterprise and see that it was a better show that people gave credit for. I certainly saw it improve.
Heres to a rousing march to the finale of a chapter of Star Trek.
Star Trek: Enterprise was an adventure. As a follower of all four seasons but not a fan until the end of season three (when I find it compelling to make this sn), I ultimately hope that, years down the road, people would rediscover Enterprise and see that it was a better show that people gave credit for. I certainly saw it improve.
Heres to a rousing march to the finale of a chapter of Star Trek.
While you read this, listen to this:
http://www.jellybeanproductions.i58.com/midi/the_show_must_go_on_two.mid
Now, to quote some friends of mine, this is what Im feeling right now:
Empty spaces, what are living for
Abandoned places, I guess we know the score
On and on, does anyone know what we are looking for
Another hero, another mindless crime
Behind the curtain, in the pantomine
Hold the lie! Does anyvbody want to take it anymore??
The Show Must Go On...
The Show Must Go On...
Inside my heart is breaking, my makeup may be flaking, but my smile still stays on.
Whatever happens, I leave it all to chance
Another heartache, another failed romance
On and on, does anybody know what we are living for?
I guess Im learning, I must be warmer now,
I'll still be turning, round the corner now
Outside the dawn is breaking, but inside in the dark, I may yet still be free...
The Show Must Go On...
The Show Must Go On...
Inside my heart is breaking, my makeup may be flaking, but my smile, still stays on...
My soul is painted like wings of butterflys
Fairytales of yesterday, will grow, but never die,
I can fly, my friends...
The Show Must Go On...
The Show Must Go On...
I'll face it with a grin, Im never giving in...
On, with the show...
I'll top the bill, I'll overkill, I have to find the will to carry on...
The Show Must Go On...
[Taken STRAIGHT from the Queen song, which I think perfectly epitomizes how I feel right now]
http://www.jellybeanproductions.i58.com/midi/the_show_must_go_on_two.mid
Now, to quote some friends of mine, this is what Im feeling right now:
Empty spaces, what are living for
Abandoned places, I guess we know the score
On and on, does anyone know what we are looking for
Another hero, another mindless crime
Behind the curtain, in the pantomine
Hold the lie! Does anyvbody want to take it anymore??
The Show Must Go On...
The Show Must Go On...
Inside my heart is breaking, my makeup may be flaking, but my smile still stays on.
Whatever happens, I leave it all to chance
Another heartache, another failed romance
On and on, does anybody know what we are living for?
I guess Im learning, I must be warmer now,
I'll still be turning, round the corner now
Outside the dawn is breaking, but inside in the dark, I may yet still be free...
The Show Must Go On...
The Show Must Go On...
Inside my heart is breaking, my makeup may be flaking, but my smile, still stays on...
My soul is painted like wings of butterflys
Fairytales of yesterday, will grow, but never die,
I can fly, my friends...
The Show Must Go On...
The Show Must Go On...
I'll face it with a grin, Im never giving in...
On, with the show...
I'll top the bill, I'll overkill, I have to find the will to carry on...
The Show Must Go On...
[Taken STRAIGHT from the Queen song, which I think perfectly epitomizes how I feel right now]
Atlantis has been hit and miss but more hit than ENT and SG1 is getting less consistently good but, again, more watchable week after week than ENT.
Hmmm. I cannot see how you can say it has no plot or direction but there you go.
Man I got so close to flaming you... but I would rather the mods worry about other things but let me just say
1) You are in no position to demand anything from anyone and if anything you are the one who needs to appologize for having no heart and comming here to thinly hide behind the rules to gloat.
2) Trolling is also posting something in the attempt to get a rise and heated response out of the posters. Obviously what you attempted by posting this here in the Enterprise Canciled thread
And the idea of the discussion board dies...
It is no secret here that I have desired the cancellation of Enterprise for its entire run, however now that it has actually happened, I feel no happiness only deep sadness of what could have been for Star Trek.
The Star Trek franchise for me ended in 2001 with the disgraceful ending of “Star Trek: Voyager” and in the time since, I have seen the Trek name being dragged through the mud by a greedy studio determined to milk every last penny from this once great science fiction legacy. What I am saddened by is that it needn’t have been. The latest incarnation of Trek on paper, could have been a fantastic and worthy addition to the Star Trek franchise if only there was a genuine vision with producers who cared for the creative integrity of the franchise as well as its money making potential.
Star Trek lost its way, and in some ways it also de-evolved;
At its peak Star Trek not only gave a few lines to a black actor, which in the 60’s was groundbreaking (just being there was enough), we had a black captain in a position of power and control on Star Trek (Michael Dorn is the only Trek actor with the most number of seasons of Star Trek under his belt) ever. Contrast that with Enterprise, only the white members of the crew had the most lines with black or other ethnic minorities were represented as mere tokens.
At its peak, women were also in a position of power and equals to men, we had a female captain and female first officers. Contrast that to Enterprise, where the roles of women were reduced to mere objects whose only purpose was the sexual gratification of the adolescent male demographic, as a cheap way to increase ratings.
At it’s peak, for the first time the issue of homosexuality had started to appear in the form of the first lesbian kiss and the bi-sexual character of the mirror Kira, on Enterprise nothing further came of what I had hoped would be a continuation of an important social issue of the 21st century being addressed.
At its peak, there was a rich and wonderful ensemble of well written and well acted characters who we shared our living rooms with for years, on Enterprise character development was mainly shallow and unimaginative and worse, overlooked in favour of special effects and contrived plots all the while, failing to tap into the potential of the actors behind them, particularly with Scott Bakula, Connor Trineer and John Billingsley. I can only hope the remaining episodes will allow a chance for these actors to come out and show other producers of what they are capable of, they don’t deserve to be off our screens.
At its peak or should I say; traditionally, continuity was honoured and respected by those in charge while on Enterprise, continuity was held in contempt so much so that the premise of the show itself was dis-respectful to Trek continuity before a single line was written for “Broken Bow” and continued for 4 long seasons.
These are just a mere handful of problems with this show, most of which were the reason why fans turned their TV’s in disgust at “Broken Bow”, not counting those who bailed before the show even premiered and those who have continued to bail right up to the present day with “The observer effect” generating the lowest viewers yet for “a new episode of Star Trek”. And this is a show with the name of something which has been enshrined into worldwide popular culture for 40 years slapped on it (half way through its run as a shallow and desperate piece of PR to retreat on their intentions to replace the existing fanbase with a new one), when it finally dawned on them and proven to be the wrong strategy to drop the name in the first place.
The period that now follows the cancellation of Enterprise for Paramount will no doubt be used to find out what went wrong with the show and the franchise as a whole, in an effort I hope to see if it is viable for a possible comeback in the future. They will come to the conclusion I hope, that unintelligent and uncreative writing in addition to slavishly following the same tired formula for 18 straight years in a saturated market are the main reasons why Star Trek fans abandoned their recent failure. However they need to also understand that Star Trek fans not only value intelligently written stories and originality, but they also value continuity with the other shows set in the same Star Trek universe established by the original series way back in 1964, and not the revisionist content of the type portrayed on Enterprise.
When season 4 of Enterprise finally reaches its conclusion, there will be in existence close to 100 episodes worth of Trek revision. The decision to cancel this show has only stopped the creation of any more; the rot has stopped. However, I believe this to be unacceptable and cancellation is only the beginning of the treatment to solve the problems with this franchise, not the end. Decanonisation is only part of the solution to solving the mass disinterest of fans as well as the answer to attracting back long-time fans who abandoned Trek after “Broken Bow”.
It is my hope that other Star Trek fans share this feeling, as well as the desire to once again visit new worlds and new civilisations together with new fascinating characters right here in our living rooms long into the 21st century.
Trek is not dead yet, it is merely sleeping.
The Star Trek franchise for me ended in 2001 with the disgraceful ending of “Star Trek: Voyager” and in the time since, I have seen the Trek name being dragged through the mud by a greedy studio determined to milk every last penny from this once great science fiction legacy. What I am saddened by is that it needn’t have been. The latest incarnation of Trek on paper, could have been a fantastic and worthy addition to the Star Trek franchise if only there was a genuine vision with producers who cared for the creative integrity of the franchise as well as its money making potential.
Star Trek lost its way, and in some ways it also de-evolved;
At its peak Star Trek not only gave a few lines to a black actor, which in the 60’s was groundbreaking (just being there was enough), we had a black captain in a position of power and control on Star Trek (Michael Dorn is the only Trek actor with the most number of seasons of Star Trek under his belt) ever. Contrast that with Enterprise, only the white members of the crew had the most lines with black or other ethnic minorities were represented as mere tokens.
At its peak, women were also in a position of power and equals to men, we had a female captain and female first officers. Contrast that to Enterprise, where the roles of women were reduced to mere objects whose only purpose was the sexual gratification of the adolescent male demographic, as a cheap way to increase ratings.
At it’s peak, for the first time the issue of homosexuality had started to appear in the form of the first lesbian kiss and the bi-sexual character of the mirror Kira, on Enterprise nothing further came of what I had hoped would be a continuation of an important social issue of the 21st century being addressed.
At its peak, there was a rich and wonderful ensemble of well written and well acted characters who we shared our living rooms with for years, on Enterprise character development was mainly shallow and unimaginative and worse, overlooked in favour of special effects and contrived plots all the while, failing to tap into the potential of the actors behind them, particularly with Scott Bakula, Connor Trineer and John Billingsley. I can only hope the remaining episodes will allow a chance for these actors to come out and show other producers of what they are capable of, they don’t deserve to be off our screens.
At its peak or should I say; traditionally, continuity was honoured and respected by those in charge while on Enterprise, continuity was held in contempt so much so that the premise of the show itself was dis-respectful to Trek continuity before a single line was written for “Broken Bow” and continued for 4 long seasons.
These are just a mere handful of problems with this show, most of which were the reason why fans turned their TV’s in disgust at “Broken Bow”, not counting those who bailed before the show even premiered and those who have continued to bail right up to the present day with “The observer effect” generating the lowest viewers yet for “a new episode of Star Trek”. And this is a show with the name of something which has been enshrined into worldwide popular culture for 40 years slapped on it (half way through its run as a shallow and desperate piece of PR to retreat on their intentions to replace the existing fanbase with a new one), when it finally dawned on them and proven to be the wrong strategy to drop the name in the first place.
The period that now follows the cancellation of Enterprise for Paramount will no doubt be used to find out what went wrong with the show and the franchise as a whole, in an effort I hope to see if it is viable for a possible comeback in the future. They will come to the conclusion I hope, that unintelligent and uncreative writing in addition to slavishly following the same tired formula for 18 straight years in a saturated market are the main reasons why Star Trek fans abandoned their recent failure. However they need to also understand that Star Trek fans not only value intelligently written stories and originality, but they also value continuity with the other shows set in the same Star Trek universe established by the original series way back in 1964, and not the revisionist content of the type portrayed on Enterprise.
When season 4 of Enterprise finally reaches its conclusion, there will be in existence close to 100 episodes worth of Trek revision. The decision to cancel this show has only stopped the creation of any more; the rot has stopped. However, I believe this to be unacceptable and cancellation is only the beginning of the treatment to solve the problems with this franchise, not the end. Decanonisation is only part of the solution to solving the mass disinterest of fans as well as the answer to attracting back long-time fans who abandoned Trek after “Broken Bow”.
It is my hope that other Star Trek fans share this feeling, as well as the desire to once again visit new worlds and new civilisations together with new fascinating characters right here in our living rooms long into the 21st century.
Trek is not dead yet, it is merely sleeping.
eh compaired to a certain other poster, Steweys posts isnt all that bad. I dont agree with a word of it, but at least its well spoken and isnt gloating.
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Anyone who wanted Star Trek: Enterprise cancelled should take a moment to understand the part they may have played in actually cancelling the show.
Really, there is no way to have it both ways. Either you feel that your efforts were productive, in which case you should accept the cancellation, or you should regret your actions, well-intentioned as though they might have been.
In this, there are no two ways about it. You cannot have your cake, and eat it, too.
I will say this: I have never criticized Stewey or other critics of Star Trek: Enterprise for disliking Trek. But now, at this ultimate point in the series' fortunes, I feel no compunction in saying that they reap what they have sown: Cancellation.
What now are we supposed to accept from these critics?
I daresay, nothing else!
Really, there is no way to have it both ways. Either you feel that your efforts were productive, in which case you should accept the cancellation, or you should regret your actions, well-intentioned as though they might have been.
In this, there are no two ways about it. You cannot have your cake, and eat it, too.
I will say this: I have never criticized Stewey or other critics of Star Trek: Enterprise for disliking Trek. But now, at this ultimate point in the series' fortunes, I feel no compunction in saying that they reap what they have sown: Cancellation.
What now are we supposed to accept from these critics?
I daresay, nothing else!
I'm as disappointed as the rest of you. The rest who are disappointed, that is. Things were getting good this season, and I was starting to really look foward to Star Trek every week. I only wish that it could have started out like this, instead of meandering around for so long (IMHO.) RE: Stewey: I've been lurking here for a long time, and your take on ENT has always been fascinating and well-thought out. Often I don't agree, but sometimes I do. Thanks for your interesting comments on the cancellation.
Anyway, I don't think Star Trek will be gone forever. I believe it will come back some day, and hopefully in a stronger form. But until then, here's to Enterprise!
When the day comes that I can afford the DVDs, I'll buy 'em!^
Classy. Don't agree with some of that Stewey, but nonetheless classily done.
I enjoyed Enterprise and I don't have the canon problems that others do. However, I do feel that it will be the classic example of how not to do a prequel. Too many early and gratuitous mistakes doomed the show.
It does though seem to have a loyal fan-base, so will undoubtedly live on in other media. If the DVDs sell well, I have no doubt that Paramount will re-visit it at some point in the future. I for one hope the rest of this final season is stunning.
Classy. Don't agree with some of that Stewey, but nonetheless classily done.
I enjoyed Enterprise and I don't have the canon problems that others do. However, I do feel that it will be the classic example of how not to do a prequel. Too many early and gratuitous mistakes doomed the show.
It does though seem to have a loyal fan-base, so will undoubtedly live on in other media. If the DVDs sell well, I have no doubt that Paramount will re-visit it at some point in the future. I for one hope the rest of this final season is stunning.
Oh, yes -- don't worry. I blame them, too! I do think UPN in the long run is making a bad decision. Sometimes as a corporate biggie you have to have "vision." You have to invest in things that will make money tomorrow. UPN has never really invested in Enterprise. It's almost like they sabatoged it. UPN didn't stick with Enterprise last year, Paramount had to front most of the cost. Besides, what is UPN gonna put in it's place? And not just that -- Enterprise can run against the other sci-fi shows on the cable networks. I think Les is not very bright, and I hope this decision comes back to bite him.
PG15 -- hugs to you!
Stewey, I think the problem is: have you seen what else Berman is cooking up? That shit scares me! When it wakes up, it'll look like a teen ager and be just as confused as one.
I really wish Berman and Braga would receive a retirement package to move quickly away from Star Trek and Enterprise would continue under Manny Coto, who actually likes TOS and knows how to sort out of the inaccuracies in canon.
Oh please, the people responsible for the cancelation of Enterprise are simple. It is the two individuals who for eleven years have walked to their bank laughing at how much money they were making for taking the franchise through the mud.
Yes you can. Unfortunately with B&B it would have been impossible.
There is not acceptance or otherwise needed. What has come to fruition is something that has been predicted for quite sometime now. The show lacked greatly in its first few seasons. The creators, executive producers refused to take pride, acknowledge, or compliment through their writing the series that gave them their riches. Instead they chose to dismantle it piece by piece. Rather than attempting to maintain the quality of most of its predecessors they sank to the depths of many other sci-fi series.
I used to hate Steweys guts because he kept slamming Enterprise and spurning it's existence. But after I saw quality shows like FireFly and Battlestar Galactica I realised how much Ent was lacking.
I just don't care about Ent anymore. After 4 seasons we never got to know the characters anyway. The only reason I watched it was to see how the Earth-Romulan war played out.
I hope the next trek series gets better directors and better writers.
I just don't care about Ent anymore. After 4 seasons we never got to know the characters anyway. The only reason I watched it was to see how the Earth-Romulan war played out.
I hope the next trek series gets better directors and better writers.
Yes it is. I think my complete lack of strong feelings either way shows my lack of interest in Enterprise. The franchise just faded out on me.
They should have called it "Law and Order: Starfleet" or "CSI: Starship"
then the ratings would have been spectacular.
then the ratings would have been spectacular.
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