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Just when it was getting interesting... No Romulan War, no Federation founding. 
If you ask me, UPN should be cancelled as well... 
Bastards!!!
If you ask me, UPN should be cancelled as well... Bastards!!!
Am I surprised? Not in the least. Anything beyond Serason 4 for ENT would have been a miricle given Les Moonvies attitude. Once he said he wasn't going to renew WWE (UPN's highest rated entertainment); I knew that no matter what ENT did (sort of being the No. 1 ranked show in all of TV), it was in for the chopping block. I was hoping something might happen in some form to get it to Season 6 (what it ws originally contracted for); but deep down, I knew this was coming.
The funny thing is that I firmly think he believes it will HELP his network. The problem with that is, plenty of the affiliates currently with UPN were with it BECAUSE of the money that was generated for them by the repeat airings of ENT on the weekends. I have a feeling when Moonvies says "Hey! It's time to renew your contract affiliation with UPN!" the response will be - "Sorry, we got a better offer from FOX." Les get 25 million for 'new development'; but lost a pretty big revenue stream. Paramount will se Star Trek licensing intrest drop, and will (within two years) drasctically drop their licensing fees. UPN has 3 years left (imo) before it ceases to exist and Viacom launches a CBS companion cable network like CNBC or MSNBC.
Then of course there's people like Stewey who are popping champagne thinking "YES! Les said we'd take a two year break and then come back and the NEXT Trek series will ROCK THE SCI FI WORLD!!!..."
Well, I got news for you: Les said that to lessen any fan backlash (and he knows there will be some, but it's not that big a deal, and Les is probably right - this was done to protect what's left of the Star Trek licensing arm which, when merchandizers ask why they are paying so much to license a 'dead' franchise; the marketers can say "We'll be back, trust us..." Well, I'm sure Universal did the SAME THING after the first few years BSG went off the air in 1978 and they were attempting to license Galactica merchandise in te height of the Star Wars era.
IF Trek ever comes back -
1) It'll be a good 10 years before the idea is even considered with Moonvies at the top. UPN will have to fail first, then (if he's still around) Moonvies will have to be convinced some market and audience for Trek exists outside of the 'die hard' base that still exists and while shrinking, will continue to exist for probably the next 20 years or so.
2) Any adherence to what Gene Roddenberry, Rick Berman, Brannon Braga or Manny Coto did will be GONE. If Star Trek ever returns, it'll be 'reimagned' for a 'new generation of fans' and the new version won't be saddled wth the 'campy, cheesey continuity issues of the old franchise'.
We Trek fans had it pretty good from 1982 on - we had a popular film series that led into a television revival that lasted 18 years. If you really want a view of what any die hard 'can't live without' Trek fan's 'fan outlet will be like - I invite you to head to
http://www.battlestarpegasus.com - and look at the archives. I'm sure the lesser Trek actors (like marina Sirtis) who weren't able to grow their careers beyond Trek are also upset because the Trek convention revenue streams and free paid travel they enjoy will dry up within two years as well.
If you wonder why I'm harping on 'two years' is because that's the logest ENT will run in syndication before it disappears as well.
After May of this year, the Trek Universe you know will be dead and buried to all but the most hard core fan. When they 'reimagine' it in 10 - 20 years (if they ever do), I doubt I'll be interested. It'll come back with a big budget feature film similar to Lost In Space; and you may even see cameos by the younger current Trek actors still alive at that time. But don't fool yourselves, it'll be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time before 'new' Star Trek is projected in a theatre or transmitted to a TV screen, and it'll bear little resemblence to the Star Trek franchise we will loose after May.
That's okay, in the long run, I was probably spending too much of my workday browsing these boards to talk about Trek. If was fun to relate all the series to each other while there was Star Trek episodes that I enjoyed being produced (Trek was dead and gone for me from seasons 2 - 7 of Voyager - even though I've been watching since 1969. hell, I only found this BBS when looking for info on 'Series V').
Once Trek is gone from the airwaves, I don't see a point in discussing or lamenting on things past. I'll have the DVDs of the Trek series I enjoyed to watch when I feel like it, and that'll be what Trek becomes again for me (back in the 1980ies, it was VHS tapes
).
But Stewey has what he wants; and I'm certain James Dixion is in absolute heaven as he can now 'reign supreme' with his perfected Treknological timeline that disregards the events of Enterprise and restores his 'true and perfect/ absolutely consistent timeline'. I'm sure the two of them and the 100 or so who remain to laud the praises of the 'vastly superior' BSG2004 (until episode 30 when Sci Fi will cancel it as too expensive - or fold it into a less expensve series clled Stargate: Galactica where we have the Capricans finding and uniting with Earth against the Cylon menace in a 'new and interesting' format).
Trek did have a 39 year run in TV and film, and if you consider the time between the end of the original series and the animated series, and teh gap between the animated series and the film series, it was only off the screen as far as new episodes for a 4 year stretch followed by a 6 year stretch. It produced 29 TV seasons of material in that time (including TAS).
I will miss having new Trek episodes, (and ENT in particular of all modern Trek), and I doubt I'll be back for the 're-imagined' version, if itb ever comes. The only further money Paramount will see frm me for anything Trek in the TAS DVD set, and the four seasons of ENT. There's 14 seasons of Trek I don't really care to own or archive; the 7 seasons of TNG (which I grew to like somewhat, but still never really enjoyed the way I did TOS, DS9 from season 3 on; or ENT); and the utter CRAPFEST that SHOULD have been pulled after it's FIRST season - Star Trek: Voyager If there was EVER a series that was NOT Trek in the slightest, VOY was it.
But, at least after May, T'Bonz and crew should have a MUCH easier time adminitering this BBS; and Stewey and Jame Dixion can plan the Perfect Trek Series (tm) (and then wonder why production hasn't been confirmed for 2008 when the time comes), and Warped9 and Orion randy can wrap themselves in their TOS blankets safe in teh knowledge that it will never be thretened again by the bastardizations of any more 'modern Trek'.
To to 200 or so that will remain after May (100 split between the various Trek forums; and the other 100 in the Sci Fi Fantasy forum drooling over BSG2004, SG-1 as they degenerate fast and SG:A as it plods through its already promised 4 year run and is them cancelled by Sci Fi); I wish you well.
The funny thing is that I firmly think he believes it will HELP his network. The problem with that is, plenty of the affiliates currently with UPN were with it BECAUSE of the money that was generated for them by the repeat airings of ENT on the weekends. I have a feeling when Moonvies says "Hey! It's time to renew your contract affiliation with UPN!" the response will be - "Sorry, we got a better offer from FOX." Les get 25 million for 'new development'; but lost a pretty big revenue stream. Paramount will se Star Trek licensing intrest drop, and will (within two years) drasctically drop their licensing fees. UPN has 3 years left (imo) before it ceases to exist and Viacom launches a CBS companion cable network like CNBC or MSNBC.
Then of course there's people like Stewey who are popping champagne thinking "YES! Les said we'd take a two year break and then come back and the NEXT Trek series will ROCK THE SCI FI WORLD!!!..."
Well, I got news for you: Les said that to lessen any fan backlash (and he knows there will be some, but it's not that big a deal, and Les is probably right - this was done to protect what's left of the Star Trek licensing arm which, when merchandizers ask why they are paying so much to license a 'dead' franchise; the marketers can say "We'll be back, trust us..." Well, I'm sure Universal did the SAME THING after the first few years BSG went off the air in 1978 and they were attempting to license Galactica merchandise in te height of the Star Wars era.
IF Trek ever comes back -
1) It'll be a good 10 years before the idea is even considered with Moonvies at the top. UPN will have to fail first, then (if he's still around) Moonvies will have to be convinced some market and audience for Trek exists outside of the 'die hard' base that still exists and while shrinking, will continue to exist for probably the next 20 years or so.
2) Any adherence to what Gene Roddenberry, Rick Berman, Brannon Braga or Manny Coto did will be GONE. If Star Trek ever returns, it'll be 'reimagned' for a 'new generation of fans' and the new version won't be saddled wth the 'campy, cheesey continuity issues of the old franchise'.
We Trek fans had it pretty good from 1982 on - we had a popular film series that led into a television revival that lasted 18 years. If you really want a view of what any die hard 'can't live without' Trek fan's 'fan outlet will be like - I invite you to head to
http://www.battlestarpegasus.com - and look at the archives. I'm sure the lesser Trek actors (like marina Sirtis) who weren't able to grow their careers beyond Trek are also upset because the Trek convention revenue streams and free paid travel they enjoy will dry up within two years as well.
If you wonder why I'm harping on 'two years' is because that's the logest ENT will run in syndication before it disappears as well.
After May of this year, the Trek Universe you know will be dead and buried to all but the most hard core fan. When they 'reimagine' it in 10 - 20 years (if they ever do), I doubt I'll be interested. It'll come back with a big budget feature film similar to Lost In Space; and you may even see cameos by the younger current Trek actors still alive at that time. But don't fool yourselves, it'll be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time before 'new' Star Trek is projected in a theatre or transmitted to a TV screen, and it'll bear little resemblence to the Star Trek franchise we will loose after May.
That's okay, in the long run, I was probably spending too much of my workday browsing these boards to talk about Trek. If was fun to relate all the series to each other while there was Star Trek episodes that I enjoyed being produced (Trek was dead and gone for me from seasons 2 - 7 of Voyager - even though I've been watching since 1969. hell, I only found this BBS when looking for info on 'Series V').
Once Trek is gone from the airwaves, I don't see a point in discussing or lamenting on things past. I'll have the DVDs of the Trek series I enjoyed to watch when I feel like it, and that'll be what Trek becomes again for me (back in the 1980ies, it was VHS tapes
).But Stewey has what he wants; and I'm certain James Dixion is in absolute heaven as he can now 'reign supreme' with his perfected Treknological timeline that disregards the events of Enterprise and restores his 'true and perfect/ absolutely consistent timeline'. I'm sure the two of them and the 100 or so who remain to laud the praises of the 'vastly superior' BSG2004 (until episode 30 when Sci Fi will cancel it as too expensive - or fold it into a less expensve series clled Stargate: Galactica where we have the Capricans finding and uniting with Earth against the Cylon menace in a 'new and interesting' format).
Trek did have a 39 year run in TV and film, and if you consider the time between the end of the original series and the animated series, and teh gap between the animated series and the film series, it was only off the screen as far as new episodes for a 4 year stretch followed by a 6 year stretch. It produced 29 TV seasons of material in that time (including TAS).
I will miss having new Trek episodes, (and ENT in particular of all modern Trek), and I doubt I'll be back for the 're-imagined' version, if itb ever comes. The only further money Paramount will see frm me for anything Trek in the TAS DVD set, and the four seasons of ENT. There's 14 seasons of Trek I don't really care to own or archive; the 7 seasons of TNG (which I grew to like somewhat, but still never really enjoyed the way I did TOS, DS9 from season 3 on; or ENT); and the utter CRAPFEST that SHOULD have been pulled after it's FIRST season - Star Trek: Voyager If there was EVER a series that was NOT Trek in the slightest, VOY was it.
But, at least after May, T'Bonz and crew should have a MUCH easier time adminitering this BBS; and Stewey and Jame Dixion can plan the Perfect Trek Series (tm) (and then wonder why production hasn't been confirmed for 2008 when the time comes), and Warped9 and Orion randy can wrap themselves in their TOS blankets safe in teh knowledge that it will never be thretened again by the bastardizations of any more 'modern Trek'.
To to 200 or so that will remain after May (100 split between the various Trek forums; and the other 100 in the Sci Fi Fantasy forum drooling over BSG2004, SG-1 as they degenerate fast and SG:A as it plods through its already promised 4 year run and is them cancelled by Sci Fi); I wish you well.
I've just written a short note to some friends and I thought I'd express the sentiments here. I've always liked 'Star Trek' but it has never been my series in the same way that 'Doctor Who' was. Deluded soul that most of you no doubt think me on those grounds, I do think that it's likely that there will be a new 'Star Trek' production of some sort in the next few years, whether movie, series or (if the US TV market allows it) mini-series. I'd thought this was more likely to take place in the TNG-DS9-VOY continuum, but as I haven't seen the most recent series of 'Enterprise' I really can't judge which would be the more viable platform.
My condolences to all Enterprise and Trek fans. This is a sad day for the Star Trek mythos.
Pray that whatever the next incarnation of Trek may be, will NOT be on UPN.
May we all "live long and prosper."
Pray that whatever the next incarnation of Trek may be, will NOT be on UPN.
May we all "live long and prosper."
I'd like to second the idea of increased DVD purchasing. Let's not forget the optimistic lesson learned from the cartoon series Family Guy. That show was cancelled at the end of its third season in 2002, and due to phenomenal fan response in the form of DVD purchases, FOX renewed the show for a fourth season premiering this year, even though it was cancelled 3 years ago. Never underestimate the power of fans.
This really sucks! I mean I was actually getting in to Enterprise!
I'm not going mince words or offer false sympathy.
The "Enterprise" I liked died halfway through Season 2, and what remained wasn't worthy of a Season 4, so I'm not going to mourn the death of a show that was on long past its prime in the first place.
And for those who will mourn: Those of you who are strong will get over it. Those of you who were smart already recorded your favorite eps when they were first run so that you will not be forced to further support a network and a studio you all now seem to hate by watching the shows in syndication or paying their exhorbitant Special Edition DVD prices.
(Raises glass) To UPN and Paramount for remembering that television is a business and acting accordingly.
The "Enterprise" I liked died halfway through Season 2, and what remained wasn't worthy of a Season 4, so I'm not going to mourn the death of a show that was on long past its prime in the first place.
And for those who will mourn: Those of you who are strong will get over it. Those of you who were smart already recorded your favorite eps when they were first run so that you will not be forced to further support a network and a studio you all now seem to hate by watching the shows in syndication or paying their exhorbitant Special Edition DVD prices.
(Raises glass) To UPN and Paramount for remembering that television is a business and acting accordingly.
Ok, here's the thing. I know, that at some point, Star Trek will continue. Fine. But I don't give a rat's ass about that. I will miss Enterprise itself, because I look at it, as I have all the other series, as an independant entity first and as a part of a larger franchise second. I will miss the characters and the story of THIS trek, because of all the series, I found these to be the most compelling. The execution wasn;t always there, yes, but the potential was. And it was just being realized. This is what blows. This will be the first time since I was 11 years old that there has been no new Trek in production, but that doesn't bother me as much as missing out on the opportunity to see this series play out.
To the cast and crew of Enterprise, I salute you and thank you for all your hard work and for the hours of enjoyment and distraction I derived from the show. I spent years working toward the election, and when it was over I needed something to lean on and to distract me from the realities of today's fucked-up world, and once again, Star Trek was there. Thank you, and mad
To UPN you screwed this show. I'd boycott, but I don't watch anything else on your channel(maybe that's pert of the point, huh?), so it would be pointless.
To Les Moonves, who has been nothing but condescending, offensive and downright rude to the fans,
To the mods, if this post merits a warning, so be it. I figure if I'm gonna get warned, well, the cancellation of my primary reason for being here is a pretty damn good time to do it.
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Purchasing the dvd's is a good idea. Hopefully Paramount will see that Trek is still profitable and will consider starting a new series a few years down the road.
UPN has been wanting to get rid of ENT ever since last year. The only surprise is that they announced its cancellation now rather than in May...
Well, my two cents:
I think Trek does need a break. Not because of Trek necessarily but rather because of the public. People take it for granted.
However, I was hoping this show would live a full life (7 years) and the break would occur then, but all I have to say is Drat.
IMHO, Enterprise got off to a great start, but season 2 started out wrong and got off on a wrong foot for the most part. Things rebounded though later into Season 3 and 4 but it wasn't enough I guess.
I think Trek does need a break. Not because of Trek necessarily but rather because of the public. People take it for granted.
However, I was hoping this show would live a full life (7 years) and the break would occur then, but all I have to say is Drat.
IMHO, Enterprise got off to a great start, but season 2 started out wrong and got off on a wrong foot for the most part. Things rebounded though later into Season 3 and 4 but it wasn't enough I guess.
Those of us who have had companys they work for sink out from under them know that the waiting for a final decision is often the most painful part. Many bosses can't make a decision until forced and when they do they delay announcements until the last possible second.
I for one commend Les Moonves for making his decision and announcing it early enough so that two things can happen;
It gives the producers the time to craft a series ending that is not simply thrown together. Secondly, and more importantly, it gives the cast and crew a heads-up prior the next years pilot season.
I will miss Enterprise but after Paramount gives Trek a multi-year rest perhaps Enterprise will return as the movie franchise. Far-fetched you say? This is what occured with TOS.
I enjoyed Ent more than any other of the TV incarnations and thought that TNG stayed at the movies at least two or three installments too long.
I for one commend Les Moonves for making his decision and announcing it early enough so that two things can happen;
It gives the producers the time to craft a series ending that is not simply thrown together. Secondly, and more importantly, it gives the cast and crew a heads-up prior the next years pilot season.
I will miss Enterprise but after Paramount gives Trek a multi-year rest perhaps Enterprise will return as the movie franchise. Far-fetched you say? This is what occured with TOS.
I enjoyed Ent more than any other of the TV incarnations and thought that TNG stayed at the movies at least two or three installments too long.
QUALMS FROM THE START
By Darth MacCartney
(to the tune of "Faith of the Heart")
"It took too much time,
Getting from there to here.
F**ked up the timeline,
But at last we're finally here.
And I will see nerds dreams
Fall apart at last.
Pardon if I'm rude.
'Cause we've seen the last of the Archer crew
No, they're not going to be renewed.
'Cause I've had qualms from the start.
Berman took us in the wrong direction.
Had no brains and no heart.
And they could get nothing right.
Now relief is in store
And no one's gonna be too sorry
They're not here
Anymore.
I've had--I've had--I've had
I've had qualms
Qualms from the start."
By Darth MacCartney
(to the tune of "Faith of the Heart")
"It took too much time,
Getting from there to here.
F**ked up the timeline,
But at last we're finally here.
And I will see nerds dreams
Fall apart at last.
Pardon if I'm rude.
'Cause we've seen the last of the Archer crew
No, they're not going to be renewed.
'Cause I've had qualms from the start.
Berman took us in the wrong direction.
Had no brains and no heart.
And they could get nothing right.
Now relief is in store
And no one's gonna be too sorry
They're not here
Anymore.
I've had--I've had--I've had
I've had qualms
Qualms from the start."
Nooooooooooooooo! Oh, well. As soon as the ratings for the first three episodes of 2005 came in I got the feeling the show was gonna end. I just thought that they would have waited for the February sweeps period to pass to see if the ratings rebounded. Well, it's been a great four seasons. Thanks to the cast and crew and everyone involved with the show past and present.
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i have a pretty good record here, generally ive been civil and allowing of each others opinoins, but i am upset now. i have a detailed idea of what id like to do to les mooneves
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