OK I need to take a step back I can't tell when anyone is being sarcastic.
Cheers mate.
Spoilers Can we itemize PIC S2 canonical mistakes.
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OK I need to take a step back I can't tell when anyone is being sarcastic.
Cheers mate.
Again ST: Enterprise came up with an awesome reason for the Klingon Changes better than" they have always been that way" which is NOT written continuity but just an off handed comment.
It meshed well with what Worf said in Trials and Tribblations. Not to mention it was one of Enterprises best block of episodes.
I can gurantee you if the production team of Discovery had given vulcans green tipped ears and eyebrows that had a 80 degree angle and upsweep noses fans wound have lost it.
Reminds me of a complaint I remember about Nemesis using Tom Hardy for the picture of Cadet Picard we see in the movie instead of the young guy from Tapestry.Seriously? The kid is probably in his forties now.
Fans are irrational and unreasonable at times. Kowtowing to irrationality is not helpful, but reinforces negative behavior.
Fans will tolerate reasonable changes and not tolerate changes that were completely unnecessary.
You're just describing the Klingon changes in TMP.
I've read a review from the 70s where someone said that exact thing, that Gene changed the Klingons for the sake of change and shouldn't have done it lol.
Also, your wording there is dangerously close to gatekeeping. Almost implying that people who don't mind the changes aren't actually fans.
And here it is in all it glory. Eerily similar to the reaction to the DISCO Klingons
And here's an article on how some fans reacted to TNG. Also full of familiar litanies
Don't ever change fandom.
And here it is in all it glory. Eerily similar to the reaction to the DISCO Klingons
And here's an article on how some fans reacted to TNG. Also full of familiar litanies
Don't ever change fandom.
Usenet forums said tuvok was bad because vulcans couldn't be black lol
Bullshit. As @Nerys Myk points out the pushback against TMP change is the exact same as Discovery.
Yet one gets defended as being "correct." Except it's not. Change is apart of Trek.
That excuse was not developed until twenty-five years later! Seriously! Twenty-five years, four U.S. presidents, and two British prime ministers later! The end of the Cold War, German reunification, the fall of the Soviet Union, 9/11, and the Iraq War all happened between TMP being released and "Divergence" airing. There was no explanation whatosever for the change between TOS and TMP when TMP was released, nor was any explanation offered for a quarter century afterwards.
Nor has there ever been an explanation for the differences between TMP Klingons and TSFS Klingons!
You said continuity was more inconsistent than ever and that DIS was the worst of it. In other words, your comments encompassed all of modern Trek, not just DIS, and your comment came in the context of a conversation about alleged PIC continuity errors where the OP's only real continuity error was Maurice's hair.
I didn't deflect anything; I merely mocked your ridiculous assertion that continuity is worse today than it used to be by pointing out how petty the examples people came up with actually were.
A retcon of a retcon does not make TMP any less of a continuity violation with TOS.
Yeah, but some people's idea of "reasonable changes" are absurd. An alien species that had already had three fundamental redesigns like the Klingons before DIS? It's not reasonable to be upset that they change again.
Lmao. It doesnt matter when they made it official. Its canon. You can try to justify Discoverys weird remake of the Klingons all you want. Just because they were changed in TMP doesnt make it ok to drastically change them again when 25 seasons of Trek and like 7 movies have used TMP template for their Klingons. It was beyond obnoxious of the people involved in Discovery to even do that. Yes. I just called all of them obnoxious.....
So I guess you are one of those people that would be fine with a major rework of the look of the Vulcans. Gotcha...
Oh and THREE redesigns??? SUBTLE changes but hardly redesigns. Unless you are counting the one from the Kelvin verse. Lmao....wonder who was involved in those films..
Yes, it does.
25 years of no explanation makes it just fine to do so. Somehow, inexplicably, fandom managed to survive. How is a mystery...
If it happened in TMP it sounds like you would have accepted it, whole cloth.
Except one is the basic look for 25 seasons of Trek....and several movies. The Discovery change was a flipping EGO trip..
Yes, it does.
25 years of no explanation makes it just fine to do so. Somehow, inexplicably, fandom managed to survive. How is a mystery...
If it happened in TMP it sounds like you would have accepted it, whole cloth.
You are totally good with a Vulcan redesign. You basically just admitted it...
The klingons were in a handful of TOS episodes. It was ok to redesign at that point. The vulcans which you fully support a redesign were in EVERY episode. Big difference there. Now if the Klingons had a major overhaul in the second movie it would not have been so jarring. But after freaking 25 seasons and several movies, plus a great explanation for the change....its BS...its laughable...
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