My problem with threads like these, is simply that this BBS is one of if not the only place where those of us who like Picard as well as the other newer trek can discuss episodes and stories etc without a very vocal minority crying about how it's not real trek and making me feel like I'm a not a real fan because I like what they claim "violates genes vision" or is peddaling a "woke agenda" whatever that's.supposed to mean.
I just want to enjoy trek in peace without having to read or hear criticisms over the tiniest of irrelevancies.
There's a very simple answer, if you don't like it - don't watch it. And let those of us who do enjoy it in peace.
I know that's not your intention here, but when my Facebook feed is full of "waaaah waaaah not real trek" as someone else said before it's gets tiresome and gets peoples heckles up.
Discussion is always welcome over valid complaints but it's always so one-sided. Those who have made up their minds are often unwilling to hear reason, and simply watch the show the find new things to whinge about and seem to take pleasure in ruining the enjoyment of everyone else.
Reading your post thoroughly I do want to give you credit for not attributing bad motives to me. I do appreciate that. Take the following as something I want to say in general, not necessarily fully addressed to you. But it is something I want to get out of my system.
I said very very very very clearly in the opening topic that if you were a diehard Picard can do no wrong fan, I recommend you leave the topic. It seems like people anti-heeded this advice. Instead it seems like such people came in droves and set up camp and pick a fight I never wanted to have.
I don't know how you can go into a topic called "Can we itemize PIC S2 canonical mistakes." and then take Picard criticisms personally. YOU CAN LIKE THE SHOW. I'm not invading the episode discussion topics or going anywhere positive just to be negative. I don't want to seek out and tell people who like it they are wrong. But I did want to talk to people who thought it had errors about what those errors were. So, I created an entirely different topic and REPEATEDLY said that if you weren't interested in talking about the canonical mistakes of Picard, you should probably not hang out because that was the point of this topic.
It is not a personal attack on anybody for people to be critical of the show.. I made it clear I didn't want to argue or rain on anybody's parade, but I did want to talk about the errors in the show. If you were not interested in that, that was fine.
But instead some people flocked to the topic about errors to mockingly act like errors were erroneous or bogus or always worse in the past. And that simply isn't true.
I'm going to be honest. This 9 pages of a lot of Picard stanning has exhausted my patience. Many of you were quite reasonable, but a few of you were rude and combative in a topic that I made clear I didn't want to argue in.
So for those people:
As confirmed by the finale, this was the prime timeline past which means, unequivocally, Guinan should have recognized Picard from Time's Arrow. So full stop
you were very very very very very wrong on one of the most important details about Picard/Guinan. So you lose this argument. The show which you pretend cares about canon and focuses on Picard and Guinan, literally ignores the existence of arguably their most important episode.
I see page after page of excuses, but in the end the original shows simply cared more. Yes they had canonical issues, but we as fans would call them on them and people would acknowledge them as mistakes rather than this "nuh-uh it's all totally fine." that I see going on here.
STPIC has Guinan not recognize Picard because the creators of the show did not know or care about Time's Arrow. They had that line about Picard's dad having hair and dying young because the creators the show didn't know or care about Tapestry (an important Q episode BTW). In the end the creators of the show largely just don't know or care about details any trek fan knows and cares about.
And it's not fine. It's lazy writing that most trek fans could write better than. Even so,
I didn't want to have this argument. I wanted to talk about the details that were issues with fellow people who saw these errors as issues. I had no interest in bursting the bubble of fans of the show. But even so, people seemed to come to a topic about criticisms only to take those criticisms personally. Which IMO is ridiculous.
And I want to make clear to all the majority of people who really weren't that bad or hostile. My comments are not directed at you. It just gets exhausting when you were looking to discussing canon issues with canon experts to instead be heckled by STPIC apologists who are hyper-sensitive to criticisms. When I said super duper clearly that I didn't want a fight and that such people shouldn't hang out in a topic about criticisms.
In short, if you can't handle criticisms of your pet show, then don't go into a criticisms topic.
A final comment:
"If you don't like it, don't watch it." is a valid argument if it wasn't called Star Trek. Heck, it's part of why I give JJ films a pass even though 1 and 2 are horrible trash is that they acknowledge they aren't prime timeline. They aren't saying "yeah that beautiful masterpiece of a franchise, we are a continuation of that". But STD and STPIC are doing that. They are pretending to continue the main franchise while disrespecting the source material. Which is why I don't ignore them like you suggest.
