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Can Star Trek be watched chronologically?

As I recall, ENT got into hot water because the early seasons veered off the path, but the later seasons reined things in. So while I think it might be jarring to watch a 60's produced series in the middle, I don't think story wise you lose anything. And Discovery will absolutely not fit, even when it is finished. It is a visual reboot that isn't in line with any of the other series. DS9 and ENT provide the explanation of the TOS Klingons and that is thrown out the window in Discovery, among other things. It will be especially jarring if you watch The Cage, Discovery, and then TOS.
 
If you started with TOS you need TNG to understand much of DS9.

I disagree.
Sure there's episodes about Cardassians and Bajorans that give some nice background info, but there's also the Trill episode which contradicts pretty much everything we learn about the Trill on DS9. None of it is really necessary to understand DS9.
 
You could watch chronologically but you wouldn’t gain enough from it to be worth the effort.

If you watched chronologically would you take time travel into account? So you watch TATV right after Pegasus? Relativity last? What about alternate futures?

You don’t NEED TNG to understand DS9. But it gives you background context about the Klingons and Romulans that makes their relationship with the Feds in DS9 a little clearer.
 
You should ONLY watch Star Trek chronologically, i.e. the one made in the 1960s first, then the cartoon and the movie from the 1970s, then the other movies and spinoff TV show from the 1980s, then the other spinoffs from the 1990s, ad nauseum... Never watch them in the fictional chronology.
 
Watching them chronologically is about as absurd as watching the Star Wars films chronologically. You're not supposed to fucking know that Darth Vader is Luke's father until it's revealed in TESB. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
 
By this I mean if you were a complete newbie to the franchise could you begin your viewing with ENT, (skip DISC because it's not yet complete), then on to TOS, then TNG, DS9 and finally VOY.
Would you encounter any serious problems , would it be coherent, does the foreshadowing work?
Do you think DISC, once finished, will fit into said viewing order?

There is one thing to think about. It is easy to put a series as a whole in chronological order of fictional date or in chronological order of production, but what about the individual episodes of each series?

The most popular orders for the possible chronological sequence of episodes within a Star Trek series are:

1) Production order, which can be found from the episode's production number or from the dates of filming from various websites.

2) First broadcast order or original airdate order which can be found from various websites.

3) Stardate order which can be found from various websites. (This requires some way to handle episodes that don't have stardates).

Most Star Trek chronologists assume that episodes happen in one of those three chronological orders. And I also tend to suggest a fourth possible viewing order:

4) Because of stardates overlapping between seasons, by order of seasons and within a season by order of stardates. (This requires some way to handle episodes that don't have stardates).

From the second season of Star Trek: The Next Generation on to the last season of Star Trek: Voyager the broadcast or airdate order, the production order, and the stardate order (for the majority of episodes which did have stardates) were the same for almost every episode.

Thus the order of episodes would be almost exactly the same if the episodes in the second to seventh seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation, the seven seasons of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and the seven seasons of Star Trek: Voyager are viewed and are considered to happen in production order, airdate order, or stardate order.

But even among those twenty seasons and over four hundred episodes, the numerical majority of Star Trek so far, there will be some chronological problems. Because of the availability of Leonard Nimoy, "Unification Part 2" was filmed before "Unification Part 1" although it obviously has to happen after "Unification Part 1".

Four episodes of Star Trek: Voyager - "The 37's", "Projections", "Elogium", and "Twisted" - were produced during the show's first season but not broadcast until the show's second season, mixed in with second season episodes. Thus their chronological position in production order and stardate order will be different from their chronological position in airdate order.

And there was overlapping between the seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994), Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1999), and Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001) and between three movies with the TNG cast shown after the last episode of Star Trek:The Next Generation (1987-1994) - Star Trek: Generations (1994), Star Trek: First Contact (1996), and Star Trek: Insurrection (1998); the fourth TNG movie, Star Trek: Nemesis (2002), was made after the end of Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001).

If someone wanted to they could watch Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994), Star Trek: Generations (1994), Star Trek: First Contact (1996), Star Trek: Insurrection (1998), Star Trek: Nemesis (2002), Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1999), and Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001) in that order.

But that would ignore the fictional dates of the episodes and movies. It makes more sense to watch the episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994), Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1999), and Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001), along with the four movies, in their production order, broadcast order (and release order for the movies), and stardate order, when all three agree.

When the three orders don't agree, or when there is no stardate in an episode, or when there are reasons of plot to put an episode or movie before or after another episode or movie, there may be some problems with figuring out the correct chronological order.

And the situation is similar in Star Trek: Enterprise except that instead of stardates there are occasional Earth dates. There are only a few contradictions between the different methods of putting the episodes in chronological order.

The six Star Trek movies with the original cast are also in the same chronological order by production order, release date order, and stardate order, as well as the four movies from the 1980s being the same order by story event order.

But the episodes of Star Trek: The Original Series (1966-1969) and Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973-1974) are in different chronological orders if sorted by production order, airdate order, and stardate order. A few episodes may be in the same position according to two of those orders, but most of the episodes have three different positions according to the three different main chronological orders they can be put in. So anyone watching TOS and/or TAS in chronological order will have to decide which order is chronological order.

Thus watching Star Trek in chronological order requires a plan for the chronological order of episodes within each series.
 
Watching them chronologically is about as absurd as watching the Star Wars films chronologically. You're not supposed to fucking know that Darth Vader is Luke's father until it's revealed in TESB. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

I agree. Though I wouldn't have quite worded it that way. :eek:
 
I recently (well 2016 for the anniversary) tried following the chronology guide that's on the internet. I got through Enterprise and season one of TOS (No Disco yet, obviously) but gave up about halfway through season 2. And then just cherry-picked episodes from all the other series I wanted to watch. And inevitably discovered there weren't nearly as many as I expected.

It's an interesting idea on a purely academic level, but I would never suggest it for a first timer.

The nice thing about old Star Trek is that it's so episodic. So I think the best way to introduce someone is to cherry-pick a handful of episodes from each series. In fact, I think that could make for an interesting exercise/thread.

Watching them chronologically is about as absurd as watching the Star Wars films chronologically. You're not supposed to fucking know that Darth Vader is Luke's father until it's revealed in TESB. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
Oh I know. And this is one those topics that comes up every now and then. "How do you plan on showing Star Wars to your children?" And way more people choose option B than there should be. That's kind of sad.
 
You're not supposed to fucking know that Darth Vader is Luke's father until it's revealed in TESB. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
Is that why you just told everyone in this thread?

Honestly, you have to have been living under a rock for however much of the last 38 years you've been around not to know that Vader is Luke's father.
 
Is that why you just told everyone in this thread?

I'm assuming everyone in this thread has seen the films already.

Honestly, you have to have been living under a rock for however much of the last 38 years you've been around not to know that Vader is Luke's father.

My best friend's daughter is 20 years old, and she has never seen Star Wars or knows anything about it. Not everyone is a science-fiction fan, you know. ;)
 
I'd actually recommend the exact opposite.

Bite your tongue. :)

Honestly, I'd go with the order in which they originally aired, never mind internal chronology. That way when a later episode makes a callback to a previous ep on a previous series you'll understand the context the same way we did watching them the first time around. "Oh look, it's those Klingons from the Original Series, back in DS9. Oh look, it's that recurring character from TNG, popping up on VOYAGER," "Oh, they're referencing the Eugenics Wars," etc.

As long as you're not acutely allergic to vintage TV shows and production values, you might as well start with TOS the same way the world did.
 
Just to keep track.

As the OP, I will reiterate, I'm not asking for the best viewing order, I'm merely asking, theoretically, whether someone, who has no knowledge of the franchise, watch Star Trek, the TV series, using the stardates/internal chronology without encountering any serious problems with the narrative as presented?

A yay or a nay, followed by an explanation, would be cheerfully welcomed.
 
By this I mean if you were a complete newbie to the franchise could you begin your viewing with ENT, (skip DISC because it's not yet complete), then on to TOS, then TNG, DS9 and finally VOY.
Would you encounter any serious problems , would it be coherent, does the foreshadowing work?
Do you think DISC, once finished, will fit into said viewing order?
I would recommend watch in order of production date so start with TOS and end with DISC and the JJ movies
 
As the OP, I will reiterate, I'm not asking for the best viewing order, I'm merely asking, theoretically, whether someone, who has no knowledge of the franchise, watch Star Trek, the TV series, using the stardates/internal chronology without encountering any serious problems with the narrative as presented?

A yay or a nay, followed by an explanation, would be cheerfully welcomed.

I'd go with yay. Because theoretically you can do whatever you want. One difficulty is that not all episodes contain stardates. Although it's easy enough to slip in the episodes that don't have stardates in the order they aired in relation to the episodes around them. I don't think there would be any serious problems, but some elements of ENT might get a little questionable. "Regeneration" would be tough because they never explain what those things are or where they came from (IIRC). And by the time you get to ST:FC, you'll likely have forgotten about that episode. With no knowledge of Star Trek, the final episode of ENT would make absolutely zero sense. But that wouldn't be a serious problem. The viewer would probably just dislike that episode as much as many fans, but for different reasons. Now, what if you cut the episodes up and watch the scenes in chronological order (i.e., time travel scenes taking place in the 60s or whatever get viewed earlier than the framing story)? That, I think, would be really difficult. No one should do that. Ever. Except with Quentin Tarantino working on a Star Trek film, that may be exactly what we get. :)
 
Some people don’t believe in statute of limitations for spoilers. On one hand I understand, on the other hand, come on, there’s a limit to how much you can ask people to adjust to your slowness in seeing stuff without being a jerk.

Production order doesn’t work for TNG, then Tasha appears after she dies.
 
TNG is very rooted in the 1980's. The other two aren't so much.
Everything is anachronistic, so being anachronistic isn't a very strong criticism of anything.
So as I said, it is pointless to say that a story or program is anachronistic. That is as valid a criticism as saying a story is written with worlds, or that a TV program contains visual images.

I think what BillJ might be saying is that it hasn't aged as well. Especially if you're a fan of today's shows that tend to be serialized, and take more risks with their characters.

There are certain things in it that give you that sense, like focusing character development only on two or three main characters while leaving the others out, danger of the week plots that you know they're going to survive, bad romances etc.

And the early 90's way of taking less risks and avoiding controversy, so you have episodes with watered down messages.

Still, TNG is a big piece of the puzzle if you want to understand the Klingons, the Borg, Q, Cardassians, the Romulans and others.

TOS is really good for classic sci fi. It's more of the quiet thinking sci fi instead of the special effects kind.
 
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So, I'm in the middle of doing this now. I watch about four or five eps a week. My method is going by stardate, with a few modifications. I chose this just for the fun of it.

First, we all know that stardates, especially in TOS, aren't strictly adhered to. Where this creates a continuity problem (such as the first season of TNG around Yar's death), I just watch them in order that makes sense story-wise and blame Q and warp drive dynamics for time being out of whack when certain log entries were made.

I started with ENT, although it doesn't have stardates. I'm now in the second year of VOY/third year of DS9. It's actually really cool to see the different approaches to problem solving by two different teams of Starfleet officers at the same time.

Being a big comic book reader, I'm filling in some gaps with Trek comics I like. Favorite recommendations are John Byrne's "Crew," "Romulans: Pawns of War" and "Leonard McCoy: Frontier Doctor." I also added IDW's "Mission's End," some of the old Marvel series covering post-TMP, some of the not-as-old Marvel series "Untold Voyages" covering the same period, DC's series covering TFF-TUC, "Ashes of Eden," "The Gorn Crisis" and "Countdown."

To answer the main question, no, I haven't run into any continuity problems. Well, other than the minor ones we all probably know about. While there is some tonal shift happening going from ENT to TOS, it's easy to chalk up to it being more than a century later. At least, if there was some major storytelling plothole by watching using this approach, I don't remember it. I just remember the joy of watching a ton of Star Trek in a way I hadn't before.
 
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