Mhmm, you've got me thinking... what would take to get Nimoy directing another Trek movie?
Can JJ save Trek with Star Trek XII?
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Mhmm, you've got me thinking... what would take to get Nimoy directing another Trek movie?
Its a film and a summer one so a bad guy is needed...
you think the public will watch a random explore the planet plot in a SUMMER MOVIE
a. They used to be Christmas movies.
b. Maybe they would. IV was about whales for cryin' out loud.
Hey - a Green themed movie would probably do well in these times!
a. That's ok.
b. He didn't save Trek movies (the only foreseeable future) from action flick/evil bad guy redundancy.
So many people are concerned about how "the franchise" was doing. Do we all own stock in Paramount (Viacom)?
Nothing wrong with a "bad guy go boom" plot in what is in essence a fun, nostalgic movie capturing the spirit of the thing we all watched when we were kids. In my opinion, of course.
Summer Blockbusters are never intended to be soley aimed at a fan-base but to appeal to the mass-general audience. In that, it succeeded and made money. Movies are about maintaining and generating a return for the investors; appealing to an, admittedly, ageing fan-base is an added bonus.
And for all that, I enjoyed the movie: it took me back to the seventies where I grew up watching the original show as a kid...
...and I loved the Alexander Courage theme on the end credits.
Summer Blockbusters are never intended to be soley aimed at a fan-base but to appeal to the mass-general audience. In that, it succeeded and made money. Movies are about maintaining and generating a return for the investors; appealing to an, admittedly, ageing fan-base is an added bonus.
And for all that, I enjoyed the movie: it took me back to the seventies where I grew up watching the original show as a kid...
...and I loved the Alexander Courage theme on the end credits.
I don't agree. But if it were true, does that really matter? I'd prefer any reasonably good, fresh Star Trek (and no matter if you personally liked the movie or not, it wasn't a bad movie seeing how many people saw it in theatres) above no fresh Star Trek at all.
So in that sense, I can only conclude that he did save Star Trek; if this movie had failed horribly, Star Trek would have no future in the coming decade or so. It would stay just as dead as people declared it after Enterprise.
It does to me.
I didn't say it was "bad," just a redundant main plot: defeat the evil bad guy. It certainly had some nice things to it -- it'd be impossible not to, since it's reintroducing us to beloved characters. [I AM wary about equating box office reciepts with quality as you seem to do.]
But as for the main plot: I'd get tired even of "reasonably good, fresh" pizza if it were the same variety every day. But then (elitist alert!) I like real science fiction and not action flicks. It's a matter of taste, ok? All you posters are convincing me not to hold out much hope for originality and intelligence in new Star Trek offerings. Box office gate is king. To paraphrase: "It's destined to be summer movie evil-villain whiz-bang, so why expect anything more?" Probably a wise, defensive outlook. My original question has been answered. I guess I'll wait a coupla years and see what reality brings. Thanks, all, especially Disillusion; your screen name says it all, for me. Be well.
Bear in mind - before you forgo new Trek movies forever - that in this movie they had to re-introduce the cast. There really wasn't room within the movie for much more than a standard "this is the bad guy" plot because they wanted to show us Kirk and Spock as children and at the Academy.
Give Trek XII a chance to be more original - they've got the cast sorted, now they can sort out a new beginning for movie plots
JJ Abrahams take on the Star Trek myhos has made a hash of the future of Star Trek and its spin-off's ie. DS9, STTNG and Voyager. Because of this new film, stories in the original series never happend because Spocks mother was alive in the original series but killed in this new film. in the original series planet vulcan was never blown-up, this film has started a completely different time-line which has made the future history of Star Trek obsolite. There is now no continuity in Star Trek it just does'nt add-up anymore. Thanks JJ for turning my favorite Star Trek show up-side-down and inside-out. Bas**ard. 
Isn't it that Star Trek has to be "saved" with every movie now? If the next movie fails, Trek is dead and ready for yet another reboot or back to the development hell.
I think the entire attitude is the problem here. Does Star Trek really need to be saved and revived even if we already have enough for crying out loud? What does this reboot add to anything? In my opinion, it doesn't add anything to the original Star Trek as it rewrites it. The original Star Trek is already dead, this is not the same anymore. For that, they could have left Star Trek alone and made an entirely new movie with a new name and new characters. The characters already are completely different and live in a universe that is different, too. So what the hell do they need "Star Trek" for?
The answer is sad: it's all about money. Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman wouldn't have gotten any success out of this flick had it been an original scifi movie about the 23rd century.
I think the entire attitude is the problem here. Does Star Trek really need to be saved and revived even if we already have enough for crying out loud? What does this reboot add to anything? In my opinion, it doesn't add anything to the original Star Trek as it rewrites it. The original Star Trek is already dead, this is not the same anymore. For that, they could have left Star Trek alone and made an entirely new movie with a new name and new characters. The characters already are completely different and live in a universe that is different, too. So what the hell do they need "Star Trek" for?
The answer is sad: it's all about money. Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman wouldn't have gotten any success out of this flick had it been an original scifi movie about the 23rd century.
JJ Abrahams take on the Star Trek myhos has made a hash of the future of Star Trek and its spin-off's ie. DS9, STTNG and Voyager. Because of this new film, stories in the original series never happend because Spocks mother was alive in the original series but killed in this new film. in the original series planet vulcan was never blown-up, this film has started a completely different time-line which has made the future history of Star Trek obsolite. There is now no continuity in Star Trek it just does'nt add-up anymore. Thanks JJ for turning my favorite Star Trek show up-side-down and inside-out. Bas**ard.
BAWWWWWWWW!
I disagree with your disagree. If JJ plodded forth a crappy movie, we would not see (live-action) Star Trek for a long, long, long time. He delivered a Trek that most people liked and his CPR worked.
See, I still think it's a little early to say that he saved it. He definitely gave it a shot of adrenaline and renewed interest, but it's going to take a couple more movies kicking ass like this one did and maybe even a new TV series before we can start saying that the franchise has been "saved."
Although the new movie certainly created the capacity for those things to happen, so that's definitely good.
I agree that time will tell whether or not Star Trek has been "saved". Let's see what the next movie brings to the table... though I have to say I am, for the first time in quite a while, optimistic about the next movie.
Nothing personal, but I just don't understand this mentality. Did Abrams' new take on our beloved Star Trek somehow destroy all the TV episodes, movies, books, comics, models, toys, etc?
Nope.
If you don't like it, don't watch it, feel free to complain about it based on even the most contrived basis... but please don't insult your own intelligence by stating that XI has somehow annihilated all that has come before... you've still got 40+ YEARS of stories in widely varied media that you can enjoy over and over and over.
Peace
Worfmonger
JJ Abrahams take on the Star Trek myhos has made a hash of the future of Star Trek and its spin-off's ie. DS9, STTNG and Voyager. Because of this new film, stories in the original series never happend because Spocks mother was alive in the original series but killed in this new film. in the original series planet vulcan was never blown-up, this film has started a completely different time-line which has made the future history of Star Trek obsolite. There is now no continuity in Star Trek it just does'nt add-up anymore. Thanks JJ for turning my favorite Star Trek show up-side-down and inside-out. Bas**ard.
Nothing personal, but I just don't understand this mentality. Did Abrams' new take on our beloved Star Trek somehow destroy all the TV episodes, movies, books, comics, models, toys, etc?
Nope.
If you don't like it, don't watch it, feel free to complain about it based on even the most contrived basis... but please don't insult your own intelligence by stating that XI has somehow annihilated all that has come before... you've still got 40+ YEARS of stories in widely varied media that you can enjoy over and over and over.
Peace
Worfmonger
Man, o man do I wish I titled this thread different. I was playing off another thread about NMeyer saving Trek with ST II.
Read the OP. I don't think Trek needs or needed saving in general. The movies need saving from plot-rut: defeat the evil bad guy. Will Trek XII give us an original, thoughtful plot (a la I, IV, V (yes, it sucked, but could hqave been good).
I am outa here, since the discussion keeps devolving into Trek was dead and JJ saved it. Whatever. Next time I'll title my thread more specifically and less ironically. Live and learn. Be well.
Yours in hope re. a more thoughtful intelligent Trek XII, Plynch.
Read the OP. I don't think Trek needs or needed saving in general. The movies need saving from plot-rut: defeat the evil bad guy. Will Trek XII give us an original, thoughtful plot (a la I, IV, V (yes, it sucked, but could hqave been good).
I am outa here, since the discussion keeps devolving into Trek was dead and JJ saved it. Whatever. Next time I'll title my thread more specifically and less ironically. Live and learn. Be well.
Yours in hope re. a more thoughtful intelligent Trek XII, Plynch.
I read an article on Trekmovie some time ago about doing Trek XII and having "the unknown" be the antagonist instead of a main villain. Im trying to find the article atm to get a better read on it, but I think that could work very very well if they decide to go that route. It would be interesting to see how the characters react in a "Corbomite Maneuver" like scenario.
JJ Abrahams take on the Star Trek myhos has made a hash of the future of Star Trek and its spin-off's ie. DS9, STTNG and Voyager. Because of this new film, stories in the original series never happend because Spocks mother was alive in the original series but killed in this new film. in the original series planet vulcan was never blown-up, this film has started a completely different time-line which has made the future history of Star Trek obsolite. There is now no continuity in Star Trek it just does'nt add-up anymore. Thanks JJ for turning my favorite Star Trek show up-side-down and inside-out. Bas**ard.
In comic book terms, just mark it down as Star Trek Infinities, What If or Ultimate Star Trek and move on. Works for me.
Abrams Shabrams.
I agree, kind of like all those Hitchcock films--the director gets WAY too much credit. It's the gaffer that made those come together.
And everyone knows Drew Barrymore made E.T. work.
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