Calling All Shippers! Mediation Thread
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I guess I probably should have mentioned that too! 
I think you've hit on a good point here. The words used to convey an opinion or perception are important in how I (and perhaps others) respond to them. When an opinion (especially a critcal or negative view) is stated in a factual way, I sometimes find myself tensing up and itching to respond, especially if I have a different view. To me there is a significant difference between the statements "T'Pol does not love Archer (or Trip)" and "I don't think T'Pol loves Archer (or Trip)" followed by an explanation as to why. I am much more likely to read on and reflect upon the latter statement even if I don't agree.
I am fairly new to the board, but one of the things I have enjoyed is reading the different shipper/character threads. It just gives me an idea of the different perspectives here. That said, I realize that if I go into a thread centered around a ship preference that is different from mine, I will likely see some comments I don't agree with, so I just try to put on an extra thick skin while reading.
I get the flu, go away for a few days, and yall carry on like a war is going on. Well, fine then. Make a note of my new avatar. It’s “Sarge” from the 1960s TV series Combat!.
So, here’s the deal. From now on anyone that says something rude I will throw a grenade at them. Since I am most certainly guilty of this my self, I will take the first grenade.
*pulls pin out and holds grenade out to the side*
KA-BOOM!
Ok. Now I only have one hand to type with, can’t hear any more, and the cat has left a large yellow puddle on the desk on its way out of the room. Don’t take me lightly, I am over the flu now, and am BACK!
Repeated violations will result in you being tied to your chair and forced to watch all the postings without being able to reply to anything.
So, here’s the deal. From now on anyone that says something rude I will throw a grenade at them. Since I am most certainly guilty of this my self, I will take the first grenade.
*pulls pin out and holds grenade out to the side*
KA-BOOM!
Ok. Now I only have one hand to type with, can’t hear any more, and the cat has left a large yellow puddle on the desk on its way out of the room. Don’t take me lightly, I am over the flu now, and am BACK!
Repeated violations will result in you being tied to your chair and forced to watch all the postings without being able to reply to anything.
^ 
That's the spirit, spider1!
That's the spirit, spider1!
Posted by spider1:
I get the flu, go away for a few days, and yall carry on like a war is going on. Well, fine then. Make a note of my new avatar. It’s “Sarge” from the 1960s TV series Combat!.
So, here’s the deal. From now on anyone that says something rude I will throw a grenade at them. Since I am most certainly guilty of this my self, I will take the first grenade.
*pulls pin out and holds grenade out to the side*
KA-BOOM!
Ok. Now I only have one hand to type with, can’t hear any more, and the cat has left a large yellow puddle on the desk on its way out of the room. Don’t take me lightly, I am over the flu now, and am BACK!
Repeated violations will result in you being tied to your chair and forced to watch all the postings without being able to reply to anything.
Great idea!
It is kind of weird to see your soldier avatar after last night's Quantum Leap episode, Leap Home Part II. It's the one where he leaped into Vietnam soldier. The episode also had Andrea Thompson from Babylon 5 in it. I'm watching QL for the first time. That episode is one of my favorite so far.
I think generalising is the biggest problem the two groups have and we seem to make an assumption that the other camp is working with some sort of borg hive mind mentality. Thus if a few people, say for example, make remarks about Jolene being a floozy or whatever, then all T/T'ers must think that way about Jolene (I can't think of a like-minded situation in the reverse camp but I don't doubt there is one or several out there).
Then the snarky comments start about the camp in general based on that assumption which just riles up the folks who had nothing to do with it in the first place and it all goes downhill from there.
And it's spreading out of the 'shipperness into a general Archer fans vs Trip fans sniping contest. As if all Archer fans are A/T'Pers and dislike Trip or all Trip fans are T/T'Pers and hate Archer.
It's just not true.
And neither is everyone's opinion on episodes and scenes always completely tied up with their 'shipping preference. In the ANIS thread there was post saying flat out that the only people who hated ANIS were T/T'ers and Tuckerites - as if no-one else could possibly have reasons for disliking it or that the only reason the people who did dislike it were only doing so because it went against their 'ship or because their favourite character wasn't featured very much.
(as a Tuckerite and a semi T/T'Per I quite like ANIS by the way and have defended the episode plenty of times in past debates on the matter)
But that sort of attitude would be the same as me saying the only people who didn't like Harbinger with A/T'Pers and the only reason they didn't like it was because of the T/T stuff. Now I've read plenty of threads on Harbinger and there were many other reasons the besides their 'ship that A/T'Pers didn't like the episode and there were people who weren't shippers who disliked it - why can't we assume it's the same for ANIS.
I'm a Trip fan! I'm an Archer fan! I'm a T'Pol fan! I'M AN ENT FAN!
And I'm sick and tired of being lumped in the "I'm subtly taking a dig at you and your fandom" by people who have a problem with one or two other posters but who decide to take it out on everybody.
Then the snarky comments start about the camp in general based on that assumption which just riles up the folks who had nothing to do with it in the first place and it all goes downhill from there.
And it's spreading out of the 'shipperness into a general Archer fans vs Trip fans sniping contest. As if all Archer fans are A/T'Pers and dislike Trip or all Trip fans are T/T'Pers and hate Archer.
It's just not true.
And neither is everyone's opinion on episodes and scenes always completely tied up with their 'shipping preference. In the ANIS thread there was post saying flat out that the only people who hated ANIS were T/T'ers and Tuckerites - as if no-one else could possibly have reasons for disliking it or that the only reason the people who did dislike it were only doing so because it went against their 'ship or because their favourite character wasn't featured very much.
(as a Tuckerite and a semi T/T'Per I quite like ANIS by the way and have defended the episode plenty of times in past debates on the matter)
But that sort of attitude would be the same as me saying the only people who didn't like Harbinger with A/T'Pers and the only reason they didn't like it was because of the T/T stuff. Now I've read plenty of threads on Harbinger and there were many other reasons the besides their 'ship that A/T'Pers didn't like the episode and there were people who weren't shippers who disliked it - why can't we assume it's the same for ANIS.
I'm a Trip fan! I'm an Archer fan! I'm a T'Pol fan! I'M AN ENT FAN!
And I'm sick and tired of being lumped in the "I'm subtly taking a dig at you and your fandom" by people who have a problem with one or two other posters but who decide to take it out on everybody.
You know the weird thing is -- A/T'P fans are only 50% Archer fans. Archer fans who are purely Archer fans are most likely Bakula fans [through QL] first.
I think I may've said that, and I said it more as -- in the thread of people who chimed in they *didn't* like it were all Tuckerites. I think maybe there was one that wasn't.
When I posted my distaste for Harbinger, I was accused it was only because I didn't like Trip/T'Pol. Actually, I didn't, but I liked it more than the other plot lines, which I thought were awful.
And I'm sick and tired of being lumped in the "I'm subtly taking a dig at you and your fandom" by people who have a problem with one or two other posters but who decide to take it out on everybody.
I can honestly say, when I joined the TrekBBS I was *shocked* that people *hated* Archer. I was shocked that people didn't get along.
You have a point about lumping. When I started posting I liked A/T'P, I became a person without an opinion other than "I like A/T'P." I have to *prove* I like Trip, *prove* I like Enterprise, *prove* I like Star Trek. I didn't even know that people "shipped" until Enterprise. Suddenly to go from someone who's watched Trek all her life to "I like A/T'P" is tough!
On the comment of rude posters. I've seen a lot of crack down -- which is my hail and praises to JKLadis. It seems it's been a Wild West for some time of nasty comments and moderators for the most part seemed to turning a blind eye. So, if you're in the Wild West and someone shoots you, are you going to walk up and shake his hand? No, you dodge, run for cover and possibly shoot back, sometimes hitting innocent bystanders. It's not right and it's not fair, but it felt like the only way to communicate. Thankfully, there's a sheriff in town who doesn't like feudin'. That really, really, really, really helps.
I am guilty of this I know! Lady C you are among the peeps who post fairly and who have participated in discussions in our thread. I think I dislike that people post in our thread sometimes or just lurk(which is fine) and then go and make fun of us or say how po'd they are at something that has been posted. I post in T/T threads when I have a positive comment to make. If I mock comments (in any thread) it isn't publicly because people do have a right to their opinion.Most of the problem is a few on each side. I admit I sometimes let my annoyance escalate(it works like Midol for me I admit!) and post in that frame of mind. One thing to remember is that there are only a few of us that post for A/T'P in a high profile manner so we are attacked by the hard core Trip fans by name often. Since none of us that post here regularly as A/T'P fans hate Trip just as you don't hate Archer Lady C you can see why we get upset that our criticisms of Archer go unnoticed but no matter what we say about Trip it is because we don't want him with T'Pol.To be fair I saw T/T fans who criticized Harbinger slammed as well. I think the worst I can remember was with E2 and when several of us (in both camps) said it looked like Lorian had learned alot from Archer that that was somehow a slam at Trip and we were just trying to make everything about Archer etc...... As always a few ruin everything ---most of us had a good discussion going across ship lines until the demons were let loose...
angie
'Kay, I'm gonna ask this once, and once only.
What is wrong with my signature? I took a line from a show that I love and translated it into a beautiful language which makes it sound much more elegant than it originally did. (Yeah, that's right. I didn't think the line sounded that great originally. OMG, you didn't know that? Shock and awe.) Now, it seems like every thread, no matter where I go, I get little digs at it. Nothing outright trolling or flaming, but enough that I *should* be angry enough to respond. I haven't responded, because it would have derailed threads.
I agree that signatures can be offensive, and can be used to troll. However, this was not the intent behind mine. I've had it like this for a while, and since when does quoting the show in your sig make you fair game for trolling? When certain other people had things in their signatures I didn't like, I never said anything. It's their right to put anything they want in there, as long as it isn't "Jenna, you suck" or "Hey, YOU! Your ship is stupid!"
I'm freakin' tired of it, and if one of you gets a warning from all the crap I've taken on it over the last two weeks, I'm NOT sorry.
EDIT: This is not in response to you, commodore64 yours was just the post I hit reply on.
What is wrong with my signature? I took a line from a show that I love and translated it into a beautiful language which makes it sound much more elegant than it originally did. (Yeah, that's right. I didn't think the line sounded that great originally. OMG, you didn't know that? Shock and awe.) Now, it seems like every thread, no matter where I go, I get little digs at it. Nothing outright trolling or flaming, but enough that I *should* be angry enough to respond. I haven't responded, because it would have derailed threads.
I agree that signatures can be offensive, and can be used to troll. However, this was not the intent behind mine. I've had it like this for a while, and since when does quoting the show in your sig make you fair game for trolling? When certain other people had things in their signatures I didn't like, I never said anything. It's their right to put anything they want in there, as long as it isn't "Jenna, you suck" or "Hey, YOU! Your ship is stupid!"
I'm freakin' tired of it, and if one of you gets a warning from all the crap I've taken on it over the last two weeks, I'm NOT sorry.
EDIT: This is not in response to you, commodore64 yours was just the post I hit reply on.
^My signature has been attacked, too. Granted, what mine said was quite a bit more controversial than yours, but just as some people like to put pro-'shipper propaganda in theirs, I saw nothing wrong with putting anti-'shipper propaganda in mine, on the grounds that it was said by the actress herself.
People can call it indirect trolling all they want, but I just liked the quote. And yes, I removed it because people found it offensive.
People can call it indirect trolling all they want, but I just liked the quote. And yes, I removed it because people found it offensive.
^ I think there is a point to be made here. At what point do we draw the line? You had every right to have that in your signature, but it angered people, and you were nice enough to remove it. I want to know where the line in the sand is drawn. From now on, are we only allowed to have Porthos, or Mayweather quotes in our sigs? (Ha.) I believe I've contradicted myself in this thread, and for that I'm sorry. But I think there's a difference between placing something in a sig to anger people and placing something in a sig because you just like it.
And for people to take offense because I put a quote in my signature is kind of weird. It's one of those "I'm looking for things to get upset about" things.
Frankly, it took most people (besides Camilla) a while to figure out what my sig even MEANT. And the French didn't bother anyone until they were like "Oh, she's quoting Trip? She must die!"
It's ironic though. I thought that we were supposed to be having a truce here. Yet the post that set this off for me tonight was in the Trip/T'Pol thread. That's ridiculous that in a thread devoted to the only pair of characters that have ANYTHING to do with my signature I'm trolled for that same sig.
And for people to take offense because I put a quote in my signature is kind of weird. It's one of those "I'm looking for things to get upset about" things.
Frankly, it took most people (besides Camilla) a while to figure out what my sig even MEANT. And the French didn't bother anyone until they were like "Oh, she's quoting Trip? She must die!"
It's ironic though. I thought that we were supposed to be having a truce here. Yet the post that set this off for me tonight was in the Trip/T'Pol thread. That's ridiculous that in a thread devoted to the only pair of characters that have ANYTHING to do with my signature I'm trolled for that same sig.
Feni---you also changed the title of our A/T'P thread because it wasn't clear it was A/T'P and some people took the word catfish as a character slam or a dis of the whole southern US.Which I don't get because our cafeteria served catfish for the 5th day in a row today!
^Don't worry, I don't think you said something contradictory. I think you just clarified where the line should be drawn. If subject A finds a signature offensive, then subject B probably shouldn't have it...and if subject C posts something that they don't find offensive, yet subject D does, it should probably be removed. With all respect to proper discretion and judgement, of course. I don't think it's fair for someone to ask you to remove your signature just because they don't like it.
At least Jen's sig is a line from the show... Mine is a declaration and no one has ever said anything about it.
When I saw RedFenix's sig with the quote from JB it only reminded me of how much the actress irritates me but I did not have anything against RedFenix for having it. It's her right to have a sig of her choice.
If you like your sig and it is not calling out someone's name on the board in particular, cursing needlessly or saying something crudely offesive to the public in general then I think you should keep it. It is an expression of yourself.
Jenna I saw that dig at your sig. Yet another example of why we should stay the hell away from each other's shipper threads. Don't put a damper on someone's else's fun. I made the mistake of commenting in an A/T thread after Damage aired and I've learned my lesson. No more.
What's really bothered me of late was the title of the A/T thread with the catfish comment because I felt it was a not so subtle dig at Trip. The other, is the persistence of threads like the one created a couple of days ago comparing Trip to Christine Chapel. While the title seems relatively harmeless, the thread is really a venue for slamming the Trip/T'Pol realtionship. Every time one of these threads pops up the A/T folks gravitate to it like a moth to a flame. Threads such as these should be ignored since they only make people angy and lead to shipper wars.
As to the sig, there's a huge difference between making a positive statment about a ship that you love and having a sig that's either criticizing or making fun of another ship. As much as I hate ANISB I would never dream of including a negative remark about that episode or any other in my sig. I think that would be disrespectful. Yet, I've seen sigs criticizing both T/T and Harbinger.
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