Calling All Shippers! Mediation Thread

[Jenna]

Actually, I think this is a good idea. If you guys don't like it, that's okay, but I'm putting it out here.

I think something that would help tremendously to ease some of the tension around here would be for us to learn something about each other that has nothing to do with Enterprise. I, for one, am no longer NEARLY as hostile to the people I've become acquainted with in the lounges.

Kalen and I went on an adventure up a beanstalk. RedFenix and I are both veggies. I know The Evil Dead's real name. It helped me chill out a little. And, even though I still forget myself sometimes and get caught up in the heat of the moment, I feel so bad afterwards that I know it won't happen again for a long time.

This is the color quiz. I found it to be rather accurate in showing both the good and bad sides of my personality. It won't be perfect for everyone, but it's a start.

Again, if you don't like this or don't want to do it, sorry. It's just an idea... Anyone can add their thoughts or a better quiz or something too...

 

[bizmAAArk]

Avoids excessive effort and needs roots, security, and peaceful companionship.

In general, this is accurate for me. There are always exceptions, of course, but I'm surprised that they can get this kind of information from colors.

 

[Jenna]

I think it's more the ORDER you pick the colors in the second time. Here's mine.

Your Stress Source: Wishes to be independent, unhampered, and free from any limitation or restriction, other than those which she imposes of herself or by her own choice and decision.

Your Actual Problem: Seeks to avoid criticism and to prevent restriction of her freedom to act, and to decide for herself by the exercise of great personal charm in her dealings with others.

 

[LLAP2U]

These are the results for mine...

Your Existing Situation
Acts in an orderly, methodical, and self-contained manner. Needs the sympathetic understanding of someone who will give her recognition and approval.

That's all it gives me and I agree with the first part... I'm not so sure about the 'sympathetic understanding' part but it was quite interesting!

 

[Spider]

For me:

Badly in need of rest and relaxation, freedom from conflict, and the chance to recover. Wants to protect himself against destructive and exhausting influences. Longs for security and freedom from problems.

I'm going back to the Flaptains Lounge for a drink.

 

[LadyDi]

Wow, IMHO this is one of the best thread I have seen in TrekBBS to date! I spent the last two hours reading EVERY SINGLE POST by EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO POSTED on this thread...I admit I've been guilty of skipping through other threads looking for debates and comments made by my favorite posters on both T/T and A/T camps! I found it refreshing to see almost everyone from those camps here and even some 3rd parties or shippers outside of Enterprise offering some great advice!

Lots of opportunity to get things off one's chest, to share great ideas, to see others as "people" first and not as specific shippers and to get it all into the open and hopefully in it's proper perspective! WE'll get it all figured out!

My opinion of the idea of shutting down shipper threads for short/long term??? IMHO A bad idea. WHY? Cause we live in a free society (I hope for most of us) to express ourselves
and our opinions without fear of threats or reprisals or having that freedom taken away. Why should a few "bad apples" take away everyones else's fun? For example..it never made any sense how society handled a a few unruly individuals by punishing the whole group and not focusing on the trouble makers....by taking down these shipper threads this is exactly what we are doing and the guilty parties continue to get away with their "bad behaviors" because they can really care less if the thread is shut down since no one else can access it either!

What's scary is our society is unfortunately geared towards accomodating the needs of the minority and forsaking the rights of the majority. To quote one of my favorite lines from Trek:

"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few or the one"

A great line IMO!

One last comment from me tonight and then off to bed I go!

I offer my advice to all members and guest of TrekBBS and any other related Trek boards!

We should quit thinking of ourselves in specific terms: such as Trip/T'Polers; Archer/T'Polers, Tuckerites, Archerites, Reed/Hoshi, Archer/Trip shippers, etc.

It does not matter if our favorite show is Star Trek: The Original Series, or Enterprise, or The Next Generation, or Deep Space Nine or Voyager or any of the Trek movies to date!

We are STAR TREK FANS first and foremost!

Because we love Star Trek we seeked out and join TrekBBS and other boards like it because of our love for this show! We come to these boards to meet other fans of a great science fiction series that has been on the air live and in syndication since 1966! We are the most forunate group of science fiction fans around and should savor every Trek moment we can get while we still have it!

Long live Star Trek!

Live long and Prosper!

Ladydi
a Star Trek fan!

 

[kitkat]

That was a great post, LadyDi .

 

[camilla]

My results are:

Your Existing Situation:

Works well in cooperation with others. Needs a personal life of mutual understanding and freedom from discord.

Your Stress Sources:

Wants to overcome a feeling of emptiness and to bridge the gap which she feels separates herself from others. Anxious to experience life in all its aspects, to explore all its possibilities, and to live it to the fullest. She therefore resents any restriction or limitation being imposed on her and insists on being free and unhampered.

Your Restrained Characteristics:

Feels that she is burdened with more than her fair share of problems. However, she sticks to her goals and tries to overcome her difficulties by being flexible and accommodating.Willing to become emotionally involved and able to achieve satisfaction through sexual activity, but tries to avoid conflict.

Your Desired Objective:

Needs to feel identified with someone or something and wishes to win support by her charm and amiability. Sentimental and yearns for a romantic tenderness.

Your Actual Problem:

Seeks to avoid criticism and to prevent restriction of her freedom to act, and to decide for herself by the exercise of great personal charm in her dealings with others.

Your Actual Problem #2:

Has a fear that she might be prevented from achieving the things she wants. This leads her to employ great personal charm in her dealings with others, hoping that this will make it easier for her to reach her objectives.

I'm really like this !!!

Thanks for the link, Jenna.

 

[Guest]

Your Existing Situation
Acts calmly, with the minimum of upset, in order to handle existing relationships. Likes to feel relaxed and at ease with her associates and those close to him.


Your Stress Sources
Resists any form of pressure from others and insists on her independence as an individual. Wants to make up her own mind without interference, to draw her own conclusions and arrive at her own decisions. Detests uniformity and mediocrity. As she wants to be regarded as one who gives authoritative opinions, she find it difficult to admit to being wrong, while at times she is reluctant to accept or understand another's point of view.


Your Restrained Characteristics
Circumstances are such that she feels forced to compromise for the time being if she is to avoid being cut off from affection or from full participation.
Unhappy at the resistance she feels whenever she tries to assert herself. However, she believes that there is little she can do and that she must make the best of the situation.


Your Desired Objective
Wants interesting and exciting things to happen. Able to make herself well-liked by her obvious interest and by the very openness of her charm. Over-imaginative and given to fantasy or day-dreaming.


Your Actual Problem
Greatly impressed by the unique, by originality, and by individuals of outstanding characteristics. Tries to emulate the characteristics she admires and to display originality in her own personality.


Your Actual Problem #2
Seeks to avoid criticism and to prevent restriction of her freedom to act, and to decide for herself by the exercise of great personal charm in her dealings with others.

This is probably the most accurate portrait of my personality I've ever seen...I'm quite impressed by the truth in it!

I've found reading this thread quite revealing...I'll try and remember what I've read so that I don't upset anyone...afteral, see above!

 

[Ancient One]

I don't read T/Ter threads (I am an A/Ter). I guess that doesn't work for everyone but I know I am going to disagree with some of the postings so why even read them? For me it doesn't serve a constructive purpose. If people are worried that their characters are being trashed in the distinquished competition's threads they should just trust the moderators to warn them..because if something is inappropriate that will happen. This goes for both sides, of course. Things get heated on both sides...I don't think the vast majority of shippers are out trolling, just expressing opinions (in an appropriate, thoughtful manner)....

 

[LLAP2U]

For some reason with the color test I did not receive any more info about myself except my existing situation...

I wonder why?

 

[Jenna]

LOL! You must not have any problems as far as they judge. Damn it! I knew one of you would end up perfect. Grrr...! Did you pick the colors in the same order? I dunno..

 

[LLAP2U]

Posted by Jenna:
LOL! You must not have any problems as far as they judge. Damn it! I knew one of you would end up perfect. Grrr...! Did you pick the colors in the same order? I dunno..

I tried it 4 times and I actually thought "Oh my Lord am I so boring that they have nothing to say about me!"

 

[Jenna]

Maybe there's something wrong with the site right now. I'd try again tomorrow.

 

[LLAP2U]

Posted by Jenna:
Maybe there's something wrong with the site right now. I'd try again tomorrow.

Will do... THANKS!!!

 

[Lady Conqueror]

Okay so I vented in the Jolene/Stuff magazine thread last night. I apologize if i offended anyone but commodore64 is right in that some of the points I made were better off in this thread so I'm going to respond to her post here.

Posted by commodore64:
I think making a comment a few times in a thread, or two is great, but I feel like this is the fourth thread and I've seen some vicious and nasty stuff -- at least by my perception.

it's probably more 5 or 6 threads actually but they were from two different magazine articles all up. There's only two on this recent article, but it's also of note to remember that they weren't all started by irate Trip fans.

Posted by Lady Conqueror:I'm sorry but when did we Trip fans become the source of all evil at this board (I swear I missed the memo)?

I sense you have some anger in this comment.

That's 'cause I was angry? I'm mostly okay now i've vented a little. Sometimes lately I feel that because I'm a Trip fan my comments about other things aren't taken as seriously because of that. For a direct example in the Jolene thread if I express my disappointment in her words or the way she expressed herself or whatever then it's not because that's how I feel, it's because she dissed my fave character in an earlier interview and I can't get past that.

That's not fair, and in fact why should I even make a comment at all if that's how it's going to be taken.

And it's especially annoying when the "you wouldn't be saying that if Trinneer said the same type of thing" comments. It's assuming things about people and then using that assumption to completely dismiss their opinion. Again I ask, why should i comment. I'm off in a basket where my opinion doesn't mean squat anyway.

Although I think this is more a topic for the meditation thread, I feel compelled to answer: before I joined this board.

I didn't get the memo, but I did get the hammer as a newbie from lots of various Tuckerites for saying blasphemous things like "I liked ANIS" and "I like Archer." Not only that, I witnessed people who also liked Archer being attacked without anyone stopping them. And by attack, I mean I would literally see, "I'm sorry, Archer is an idiot and anyone who thinks differently is stupid."

Except that it probably wasn't just Tuckerite's. When I first joined the board I was coping the same thing by "bashers" in general - I believe the most popular phrase to throw around was that all ENT fans were mindless sheep who would eat up any shit with the name Star Trek attached to it.

Hell, I remember many threads where I defended episodes the majority hated (yes, including ANIS) and I defended Archer plenty of times - and i clearly remember pookha and a few others in the Tuckerite camp doing so as well.

Do a some of the Tuckerite's hate Archer - yes they do. But it's not all of us and some of the other disenting opinions or people who attack may not be Tuckerites either.

At the time it seemed unfair and over time, I guess I decided that's how the TrekBBS must be. To further my point, I've even had non-shippers who like Archer comment that Archer used to be attacked all the time.

Yep he was, but again it wasn't just Tuckerites doing that. Archer's one of my favourite characters and it's not because I followed Scott over from Quantum Leap. In fact I've never seen more than five minutes of that show. I knew who Scott was before ENT started but that's it and I honestly never thought all that much about him. And I certainly never thought he was a Hottie until I saw ENT.

Hmm. Maybe that last paragraph was kind of irrelevant - I'm drifting.

I do think we can all be a little more tactful in how we express ourselves and our dislikes especially if we have something negative to say - and not everyone is going to like every aspect of the show. But one persons "crap" is another person's "gold" and we'd do well to remember that.

But I'd basically just like to see everyone's opinion (on both sides) taken at face value rather than an automatic assumption that they have some ulterior motive relating to their fave character or 'ship.

It is okay to dislike Archer, It is okay to dislike Trip, it is okay to dislike Jolene's comments, attitude, think she's a hypocrite or be disheartened (because let's face it while the majority believe she made the comments in a joking manner it is equally likely she made them in all seriousness - we just don't know) No-one's interpretations are invalid - just how we express them becomes the issue and how we read them as well sometimes.

4) Don't be afraid to use the notify mod button if things get bad. The reason? I actually think mods are here is to keep the peace. Why? They're objective. I can tell [insert Tuckerite here] to knock it off if I think she's stepping over the line, but they probably won't listen to me.

And there are times when I think I'm being reasonable, until JKladis or Top41 tells me to knock it off. When they do, I'll take a step back: it's embarrassing to be called out by a mod.

As a former mod I got that one covered thanks

And I haven't hit the ignore button on anyone yet and hopefully I won't have to. It just sometimes seems like we end up going around in circles. We agree we need to change and we all say we will and then we don't. We're all guilty of this (including me) and I just don't know how it's going to stop.

 

[angie]

Lady C,

I do often enjoy your posts and comments. Your rebuttals are fair and well thought out. I do hesitate anymore to post in most threads my thoughts because defending Jolene Blaock's right to her opinion and to pose in a men's magazine somehow is dissing Trip, CT, and the southern US.If she had said she hated the idea of T'Pol being paired with Archer--I would have been bummed but still defended her right to her opinion. I see no relation to her posing for magazines and her intelligence. Linda Park has posed for FHM and groused about the show and no one flayed her.However David Duchovny fans made comments about Gillian Anderson posing for FHM like I have seen here. The negative comments in the various Jolene Blalock threads have not been by the casual fans for the most part that I can tell.

angie

 

[commodore64]

LC, good post!

Except that it probably wasn't just Tuckerite's. When I first joined the board I was coping the same thing by "bashers" in general - I believe the most popular phrase to throw around was that all ENT fans were mindless sheep who would eat up any shit with the name Star Trek attached to it.

Actually, I remember -- yes: Tuckerites.

I could say their names, but it really wouldn't help matters and it seems these people only come out during the worst of times.

I remember overall comments were from general folks. But, I remember scathing posts from Tuckerites, ones that were pointed and mean.

Sadly, I thought, "What the hell?!" And Archerites said, "This happens all the time." And thus, a feeling is born ... especially when witnessing it done to my buddies too.

I think there are some Tuckerites who like Archer, yes ... absolutely. I'm not saying all Tuckerites don't like him [good distinction]. I don't even care if some don't. I'm saying the ones who don't like him *and* are mean are bad. If people don't like Archer and are nice [like Blue], it doesn't really bother me.

Do a some of the Tuckerite's hate Archer - yes they do. But it's not all of us and some of the other disenting opinions or people who attack may not be Tuckerites either.

I'll tell you how I feel. I feel the majority or somewhere close to 40% don't like him ... unless he's "with" Tucker [that means either slash or friendship].

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I feel like there's this jealousy about Archer, that when he's received well [like Twilight], suddenly a few Tuckerites post a few bombs.

Again, with some of the comments about Blalock [not all] it seems a little like that as well. Because she's said unflattering things about Trip, suddenly there's this weird backlash. I can only say how I feel but the comments have been less, "Awww, I like Trip! I wish she understood him more" and more like "She's not very smart and just needs to act."

I don't feel like I saw anything negative about T'Pol or Blalock before her comments about Trip and the fact she doesn't like T/T'P were aired.

LC, I'm sorry you feel lumped into a group. You're right -- that's not fair. I think I'll try harder to refrain from doing so.

A few overall notes ....

I see very, very few comments *these days* that are negative about Archer, except from a few Tuckerites here on this board. And it's from a small group of folks.

Now, having said all that, I'm actually okay with negative comments about the character. I think my problem is -- some of the comments border on the ridiculous.

Example acceptable [not ridiculous]: "Gosh, I'd have thought Trip would know better than to fool around with T'Pol; she's been acting kinda nutty and he's emotionally perceptive."

Unacceptable [ridiculous]: "Trip is just a rapist and deserves to be strung up like all rapists."

It's a subtle difference, or not so subtle, but I think you [in general, not LC] get my drift.

 

[pookha]

really unless some one has been here since day one it is hard to now for sure which side started disssing the other first.
because i have had tucker fans who were on the board during the first season express the very same thing about how badly they were treated.

to this day some admit to me the behavior of some archer fans has affected their attitude toward archer.

i dont think it is right but there it is.. it is also one reason some tucker fans get so defensive when certain people go after trip,,
and past experience makes it harder to tell whether certain parties are joking or not.. this goes for both sides.





oh i found this amusing,,

Example acceptable [not ridiculous]: "Gosh, I'd have thought Trip would know better than to fool around with T'Pol; she's been acting kinda nutty and he's emotionally perceptive

because well people were blasted if they tried to discuss how archer treated tpol in anis with the same tone..
if some said yes i consider how archer treated and talked to tpol to be a mild form of sexual harrasment (the kind that will get you an unofficial talking too under certain guidelines) well some people acted like archer had been accused of attempted rape.


both parties can see the percieved insult no matter the tone it is delivered in.
and either side can get upset from it..
of course i can argue that there are circumstances in both cases that can be used to defend the men..



now on this most recent dust up that happened friday..

i was pretty damn unhappy with people on both sides to tell the truth..

for one thing there are ways to express ones displeaure with what a person says or stands for without saying they are a piece expletive..
that shouldnt happen either toward someone posting here or someone associated with the show.

i think a lot more good points would have been made recntly if people had just attacked jolene's words or her attitude not her person.
for instance try.. not believing the show has a future is one thing but her attitude of not caring about what they did with the show overall was disturbing to me.

and as for what jolene does in real life .. well just remember this she is not the first actor who can easily seperate their role from themselves and have different sets of standards for themselves and their character.





and on the other side guess what with this most recent interview very few of the comments /complaints had to do with tpol's relationship what ever with trip..
it was more about her tone about the series as a whole..
her negative attitude toward it.

JB "Bring him on, I don't care. Let's just meld all the shows together. This is our last year,most likely. What the hell

to me more people were upset with the what the hell .. it is our last year attitude then anything else.



and several people have pointed it out in the thread to but i guess they are not being read.

and it sure the heck didnt help when things would start to calm down and certain people tried to drag shipper crap into it..
the most grr/ausing one person who on one hand was helping a lot to calm things down but just couldnt seem to help themselves from getting their shipper digs in to fuel the flames.

by the way where were the mods friday night..
i think a friendly hey there chill a little would have calmed things down rather quickly.

sigh i was almost not going to say anything but what the hey i deiceded to express myself like others here.

 

[angie]

I think pookha that in the case of the Stuff interview the effects of the words spoken at the TCA press conference were still reverberating.

angie