Cage-SNW-TOS Enterprise

[Daedalus]

I did once, quite foolishly, suggest that the 2893 Stargazer was stripped for parts leaving a structurally sound but non-functional museum piece. The components that were removed were then recycled into the 82893, to make some sense of the term "refit".

The situation being not too dissimilar to the artwork depicting the Luna-class Titan being stripped down for the new Titan, albeit with greater care.

 

[DSG2k]

The Stargazer, NCC-2893, is at the Fleet Musuem. Ergo, the Stargazer, NCC-82893 would've been upgraded from a different Stargazer that came in-between.

Except Matalas thought otherwise ...

Specifically, quoting him from Memory Alpha about the Stargazer:

"Like the TMP Enterprise, it’s a massively updated refit. I like to think of it as the story of the broom: If one day you replace the handle, and another day the brush, is it still the same broom? We thought of it as a vessel endlessly repaired and upgraded, brought in-line with current-future tech, so that somewhere underneath all the lights and polish are the bones of Picard’s original ship. Does it make sense? I don’t know. But I sure like the spirit of it."

... suggesting that, like the Saratoga 31911 in the museum that wasn't really the ship that had been blown to bits at Wolf 359 but which may have included pieces (along with, per background info, parts of Saratoga 1887), this Museum Stargazer may have been composed of multiple vessels, perhaps including replaced parts that had once been on Stargazer (8)2893.

I find all of that pretty nutty, myself, but that's what they're going with in Hollywood.

 

[Ronald Held]

Broken record poster say two ships seem more reasonable than going from Cage to SNPrise to TOS 1701.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Broken record poster say two ships seem more reasonable than going from Cage to SNPrise to TOS 1701.

Try and reconcile the Short Treks that depicts the SNWprise as the TOS version

 

[Lord Garth]

Except Matalas thought otherwise ...

I go by what I see. That trumps clumsily worded dialogue. The Stargazer in its original form is at the Fleet Museum in Season 3.

If he thought otherwise, he should've told the people putting the scenes together not to include it.

And if two things I see contradict, I go with what I think makes sense.

 

[DSG2k]

And if two things I see contradict, I go with what I think makes sense.

Oh, I don't disagree at all, and furthermore I think yours is the only reasonable way to enjoy the shows while maintaining the traditional level of expectation Star Trek fans were long known for. I simply couldn't let the moment pass without pointing out the YADI* . . . it wasn't actually directed at you.

After all, I'm old enough to remember people critiquing variations in console buttons pressed to do the same task, or the guy who critiqued in intricate detail the poker hands from "Lower Decks"[TNG]. The rescalers will still crow about anything being slightly off. Indeed, some folks here seem to get terribly excited at the prospect of clubbing the Original Universe over the head like a baby seal with any YATI, real or imagined. ("Hey, didn't they say in the last episode the exact opp..." "JAMES R KIRK! JAMES R KIRK!")

Meanwhile, the discontinuities in new shows get handwaved or even celebrated, meaning they're clearly holding Discoverse Prime stuff to a far different standard.

So, when I see *Yet Another Discoverse Inconsistency, and considering how much worse they tend to be even internally, I will tend to club it with equal vigor.

Sorry for any collateral annoyance.

 

[Ithekro]

I would put out there that perhaps the Sagan-class USS Stargazer was "refit" into the Stargazer from a previous ship (like whatever ship became the USS Enterprise-A). Meaning whatever ship was getting an upgrade to its systems, and then Starfleet decided to rename the ship, but didn't give it one of the "-A" treatments. Perhaps the ship wasn't complete when they decided to change its name (tech upgrade while under construction as a Mark II or whatever). Or Starfleet did to Stargazer what they did with the USS Sao Paulo when Sisko took over that starship (which is "now" in the Starfleet Museum as the USS Defiant).

 

[Daedalus]

I would put out there that perhaps the Sagan-class USS Stargazer was "refit" into the Stargazer from a previous ship (like whatever ship became the USS Enterprise-A). Meaning whatever ship was getting an upgrade to its systems, and then Starfleet decided to rename the ship, but didn't give it one of the "-A" treatments. Perhaps the ship wasn't complete when they decided to change its name (tech upgrade while under construction as a Mark II or whatever). Or Starfleet did to Stargazer what they did with the USS Sao Paulo when Sisko took over that starship (which is "now" in the Starfleet Museum as the USS Defiant).

That works. If it happened to have the "82893" registry already, it might've been what prompted the new name choice.

 

[Ronald Held]

Try and reconcile the Short Treks that depicts the SNWprise as the TOS version

I can't. Maybe someone was confused??

 

[Lord Garth]

I can't. Maybe someone was confused??

Possibly you? It seems like we both think the Enterprise in TOS can't be the same version of the ship as the Enterprise in DSC/SNW.

So, we don't disagree.

 

[Ronald Held]

We do not disagree on that. Only how it happened.
I did not expect this thread to last this long.