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By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!)

Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

I'd like to see you keep track of the number of times Data reminds everyone that he's an android (whether it's by stating something he can or cannot do due to that fact, like experience emotions or not require food or sleep or show off his uber strength, or simply saying "I am an android.")
 
Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

Every time Worf lost a fight. Some warrior!
 
Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

We are not supposed to notice that. :lol:
 
Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

^
True, but the 'Worf gets beaten up' is a TNG classic. Hell, he even had his wrist broken by Deanna Troi in one episode. Yeah, I know, she was posessed by aliens... but geez.
 
Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

How about every time Worf says "I am a Klingon", growls, or uses the word "honor"?
 
Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

The Old Mixer said:
How about every time Worf says "I am a Klingon", growls, or uses the word "honor"?

Aw, c'mon. That's too often. "I am a Klingon" is literally his first line, as in:

Worf: I am a Klingon, sir - for me to seek escape while my captain goes into battle -
Picard: You are a Starfleet officer, Lieutenant!

And so, basically, in two lines early in the pilot, his entire character arc for eleven seasons worth of television - the conflict between his Klingon identity and his Starfleet duty - is summed up. ;)
 
Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

Thanks K-Star for telling me about that drinking game - I got a couple of good ideas from it (the number of times Riker says "Hell," the number of times Data gives an 'approximation' to decimal places, etc.)

I really appreciate all of the suggestions. If I don't include them, it's because I think they're going to be too much of a headache to track (i.e. does a certain situation, comment, etc. *really* count as an example of that). Plus, I didn't want the overall list being too long because it was going to be difficult to keep track of all of these little details.

It's funny you brought up the whole fight thing Sisu because that's exactly one of the things I am going to track - his win/loss percentage in hand-to-hand combat! I'm also going to track his hit percentage when using a phaser on somebody - I think that's pretty low too (or, at least, not nearly as high as you'd expect).

Here's the complete list I'm planning on going with for the the remaining 175 episodes (I didn't write these all down on the "Encounter at Farpoint" post because they did not all happen in that one episode):

- The number of times each main character killed another sentient being

- The number of times they fail to abort an unauthorized shuttle launch

- The number of times Picard calls for a conference during a crisis situation

- The number of times, during a ship-to-ship battle, the captain/acting captain asks for an update on the shields/status of either ship instead of just saying "keep firing until you disable them” or "fire at will"

- The number of times Picard formally speaks to another crew member as his or her commanding officer and then, after letting them walk halfway across the room, says the crew member’s first name and has a personal heart-to-heart moment with him or her

- The number of times Riker calls for “Red Alert! Shields Up!”

- The number of times Riker uses the word “Hell”

- The number of times Data provides:
- synonyms or a definition of something
- an “approximation” in decimal places

- The number of times Troi gives Picard an emotional report that was blindingly obvious even without Betazoid talents

- The number of times Geordi uses his VISOR’s capabilities to report on something

- Fistfight win/loss ratio for Worf

- Phaser hit/miss ratio for Worf

- The number of times Crusher loses a patient

- The number of poker games
- the number of wins for each main character at poker

- The number of holodeck mulfunctions

- The number of times a main cast member does not have any dialogue

- The number of times a main cast member does not appear in an episode
 
Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

"The Naked Now"
00:10 - Picard says they are running at warp 7, but the exterior shots of the Enterprise show the ship running at impulse - this should be redone
01:33 - the angle of the Enterprise approaching the other ship is reused
02:35 - the small view screen Riker and Data look at can be redone
06:44 - the angle of the Enterprise and other ship in orbit of the star is reused
10:15 - the chair being moved and the beam used to move it can be redone
15:45 - the small view screen shows the wrong Enterprise - this should be redone
18:49 - the object being moved and the beam used to move it can be redone
21:58 - the angle of the Enterprise and other ship in orbit of the star is reused AGAIN!
22:10 - the force field used in Engineering can be redone
32:05 - the tractor beam from the Enterprise to the other ship can be redone
35:04 - the collapse of the star can be redone
35:45 - the ‘fragment/star material’ coming toward them can be redone (it would make more sense to have many fragments instead of just one because the chances of that one fragment hitting them is absolutely laughable) Alternatively, could they not just make it a shockwave instead?
37:19 - a different shot of the ‘star material’ coming toward them can be redone
37:55 - the image on the small viewer can be redone
41:12 - the shot of the ‘fragment/star material’ coming toward them is reused
41:49 - the shot of the Enterprise changing the tractor beam can be redone
42:07 - the other ship blowing up can be redone
42:26 - the shot of the Enterprise warping away is reused from the credits - this can be redone
44:30 - the shot of the Enterprise flying off is reused from “Encounter at Farpoint” - this can be redone
44:40 - the shot of the Enterprise at the end does not show them at warp - this can be redone

Some pictures illustrating need for updated special effects...
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The star in this looks quite bad. While the planet in “Encounter at Farpoint” was actually quite well done (but still should be updated), the star in this episode REALLY needs an update. Phil Farrand makes a point in one of his books about how close the Enterprise is to the star at the beginning of the episode versus how close the Enterprise is to the star once it collapses (basically, they seemed to have moved much further away without any mention of it). The initial shots at the beginning of the episode (if they were to be updated) should account for this by having the Enterprise and the other ship not as close as originally shown.

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Should this not be a shockwave (ala "Generations"?). The whole sequence of the star's collapse (regardless of whether it's a shockwave or not), could look a lot better if done now.

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At the very least, it would make more sense to have many fragments instead of just one because the chances of that one fragment hitting them is absolutely laughable! The fragment here looks particularly bad and could really use an update.

Even more minutia... (after 2 episodes)
- The number of times Picard uses the word “Hell”: 2
- The number of times Riker uses the word “Hell”: 1

- The number of times Picard uses the word “Damn” or “Damned”: 3
- The number of times Riker uses the word “Damn” or “Damned”: 2

- The number of times Data provides synonyms or a definition of something: 2

- The number of times Troi gives Picard an emotional report that was blindingly obvious even without Betazoid talents: 2

- The number of times Geordi uses his VISOR’s capabilities to report on something: 1
 
Re: I'm bored: The Minutia of all 176 TNG episodes right her

DostoyevskyClone said:
I just wanted to post this before I get started to show a small example of how much cooler it would be to have an 'updated' Enterprise. To me the more recent version is more crisp (as is the star field behind it). I realize also that the effects could be even better than they were in "These are the Voyages":

"Encounter at Farpoint" [BELOW]:
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"These are the Voyages" [BELOW]:
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TNG's overall look would be greatly improved if it could be recomposited at HD resolution from the original film elements -- assuming that many/any still exist.
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

Sorry for skipping ahead, but I noticed a bit of an error in "The Arsenal of Freedom." When the stardrive finally destroys that combat robot in the atmosphere, the phasers aren't firing from the right place. As far as I know, there aren't any phaser strips along the exact edge of the stardrive hull's top section. There are three dorsal phasers on that section, but the angle isn't good.

[I don't know whether to note this tactical deficiency regarding the "superb" stardrive section or not in the Tech forum. :p ]

Since it appears that the stardrive is firing from its starboard rather than from the front, I propose using the stardrive pylon's phaser.
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

Naked Now 42.07

The destruction of the Tsielkovsky. I must disagree.

I think thats a great shot. Although, I agree some of the shots early in the episode have dated a little.
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

I agree that it's one of the better explosions (especially in the earlier eps). I think part of the problem of not updating the explosion (assuming you updated the fragment and the ship, which is what I think we'd like to see) is what I'd refer to as the 'Star Wars: A New Hope updated effects' phenomenon - you have two different effects elements that are in the same scene (some that are 20+ years old and some that are new). In such cases, the two really don't jive due to color, clarity, etc. and you can clearly see which elements are updated and which ones are not.
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

"Code of Honor"
08:00 - the clothing appearing on the Holodeck can be redone
08:08 - the mat and the fighter appearing on the Holodeck can be redone
08:45 - again, like “Encounter at Farpoint,” can the stunt double be taken out and a digital Denise Crosby be put in her place?!
9:36 - the fighter disappearing on the Holodeck can be redone
11:06 - the photon torpedoes firing can be redone
11:10 - the photon torpedoes denoting in the atmosphere can be redone
18:57 - the exterior shot on the planet can be redone (it actually looks pretty good, but it could look even better with an update - for example, a broader shot that zooms in to get a sense of the size of the city)
21:13 - the exterior shot of the planet is reused (though made to look darker). They could show a different angle of the temple from another area of the city
21:20 - the scene here looks like it is meant to be outside, but all we see in the background is a red sky. This scene can be redone to show some mountains (seen earlier), clouds, sunset shades, etc.
23:29 - the Enterprise orbiting the planet is reused from earlier
27:12 - again, like at 21:20, the background to this scene can be redone so it is not just one color and so it actually looks like sky
35:56 - the exterior shot on the planet is reused AGAIN but with the beam effect added in
36:17 - the Enterprise orbiting the planet is reused AGAIN
37:45 - the scene here is like the others before (21:20 and 27:12) - it is meant to be outside but in the background we just see a red sky. This scene can be redone like the others
41:27 - the Enterprise orbiting the planet is reused AGAIN (they just zoomed in on the image to try to make it look different)
43:45 - the Enterprise orbiting the planet is reused AGAIN

Some pictures illustrating need for updated special effects...
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The main thing for me here is actually the planet - it could look WAY better. It wouldn't hurt to work on the torpedoes and explosions at the same time...

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This looks pretty good - but could look even better with an update. They use this same exact matte several different times in the episode, and it would be good if they did some different things in the update (have one of the shots pan across the city, another zoom in from the bottom of the hill, etc.)

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You can tell it's a fake sky behind her - redo the background by putting in some mountains (which we see in the screencap above). You don't have to put in clouds and different colors EVERY time, but this background 'screen' is used several times throughout episode and there would bound to be some variation if it were a real sky.

Even more minutia... (after 3 episodes)
- The number of times Picard uses the word “Hell”: 2
- The number of times Riker uses the word “Hell”: 1

- The number of times Picard uses the word “Damn” or “Damned”: 3
- The number of times Riker uses the word “Damn” or “Damned”: 2

- The number of times Data provides synonyms or a definition of something: 2

- The number of times Troi gives Picard an emotional report that was blindingly obvious even without Betazoid talents: 2

- The number of times Geordi uses his VISOR’s capabilities to report on something: 1

- The number of times Michael Dorn doesn't appear in an episode: 1

Phil Farrand's best observation on this episode from his 'Nitpickers' books...
"Having finally secured the desperately needed vaccine for the plague on Styris IV, the Enterprise sets off for that planet at a rip-roaring warp 3! What happened to warp 9? If it's as bad on that planet as the dialogue seems to indicate, wouldn't you want to get there as fast as possible?"
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

Heh, on the subject of matte paintings, here's another thing you should look out for:

Reuse of the Angel One matte painting

First appearing in the episode "Angel One", this serves as a dozen planets or so over the course of the show. In TOS-R, they've got rid of matte paintings that were just reuses to make something completely new, while touching up the first use of the matte. Something similar might be done in that case.
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

I completely agree with you Kegek about 'respecting' the original use of the matte insofar as not changing the design/look of the building/landscape in the episode in which it was first used. I think TOS-R had it completely right in that regard (and in coming up with something completely new for the later episodes which reused a matte from a previous episode).

I will try and keep track of how many times the 'Angel One' matte was reused - should be pretty interesting to see!
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

I think it was reused around 3 or 4 times in TNG. Seem to remember it (modified) in Voyager too.

A good thing to track would be the "Computer Countdown to death". This takes the form of a destruct sequence, a structual collapse and/or a warp core failure or a potentially lethal dose of radiation... :D

"...1 minute, 20 seconds to (insert death here)..."

:D
 
Add other spaceships in the background whenever the Enterprise is at a Starbase or Space Station. In Measure of a man the 1701-D is supposed to be at a busy space station but the only ship in the shot is the Enterprise !
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

DumbDumb2007 said:
Add other spaceships in the background whenever the Enterprise is at a Starbase or Space Station. In Measure of a man the 1701-D is supposed to be at a busy space station but the only ship in the shot is the Enterprise !
Ahm ... in ``The Measure Of A Man'' isn't that in fact a new starbase, not quite fully staffed, thus prompting the odd dramatic convention that Picard and Riker had to be the attorneys rather than people with specific qualifications for the jobs?

(They had the bad luck to pick the week the Enterprise's judge advocate general officer was on break.)
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

DumbDumb2007 said:
Add other spaceships in the background whenever the Enterprise is at a Starbase or Space Station. In Measure of a man the 1701-D is supposed to be at a busy space station but the only ship in the shot is the Enterprise !
You might be thinking of 11001001. As Nebusj pointed out, the Starbase in The Measure of a Man was new.
 
Re: By episode: Updating FX for all 176 episodes (+ minutia!

Loads of TNG episodes need to be redone in terms of SFX.

Too many to mention. Particular "alien sky" shots.

BTW- Along with the SFX, I would also cut Troi's idiotic "GWEAT JOY.....AND GWATITUDE" line from "Encounter At Farpoint"
 
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