Burnham not human?
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Including get knocked out, impaled by a fiery piece of metal, and need rescuing.
Seriously, can we acknowledge that Burnham is no more superhuman or perfect than any other main character Star Trek has produced? And in many ways a far more troubled one? Did people say things like thing about, say, Riker? I really don't get the "Burnham's too perfect" thing at all.
Edit to add: She spent literally all of Season One being prejudiced without realizing it, and only realized her prejudice in the last episode. I just cannot see where this "too perfect" thing originates.
Sustained nine gees is bad on the human body. But Trek humans have a pill for that. Or at least they ought to have. There's a pill for adjusting to low gravity in ENT "Demons", made less vital by the adoption of gravity manipulation but still available.
Whether the user of one of those DSC pods would have to face the nine gees is not quite specified, though. DSC era does have full gravity manipulation, after all. And "Brother" has a good graphic demonstration of said, with the turbolift looping around madly but the occupants and their snot behaving as in sedate one gee. Perhaps Burnham refers to the capabilities of the pod, rather than those of the pilot?
Timo Saloniemi
Whether the user of one of those DSC pods would have to face the nine gees is not quite specified, though. DSC era does have full gravity manipulation, after all. And "Brother" has a good graphic demonstration of said, with the turbolift looping around madly but the occupants and their snot behaving as in sedate one gee. Perhaps Burnham refers to the capabilities of the pod, rather than those of the pilot?
Timo Saloniemi
The writers probably confused g-force with gravities. It's pretty common for Hollywood. Fighter pilots do 9G all the time.
*That is to say when they did a Google search for 'maximum gravity a human can survive' or whatever.
*That is to say when they did a Google search for 'maximum gravity a human can survive' or whatever.
Sustained nine gees is lethal to a human body...
Not if there's a pill for it.
Umm, what? Nine gees is nine gees, be it from planetary pull or doing tight turns.
The important bit here is the eleven minutes. F-16 pilots would be dead from 11 minutes of nine gees (and their planes would be scrap metal, too). Or from three minutes at that.
In contrast, humans have survived fifty gees for brief periods. That is, split seconds. And succumbed to two gees. It's down to luck for the most part, and to well- or ill-chosen orienting of the body against the acceleration. Our heroes here seem to be lying on their backs, which is good. But they don't seem to be doing nine gees. If anything, they're close to zero gee, their pods not accelerating much vs. the rocky background.
Timo Saloniemi
Umm, what? Nine gees is nine gees, be it from planetary pull or doing tight turns.
The important bit here is the eleven minutes. F-16 pilots would be dead from 11 minutes of nine gees (and their planes would be scrap metal, too). Or from three minutes at that.
In contrast, humans have survived fifty gees for brief periods. That is, split seconds. And succumbed to two gees. It's down to luck for the most part, and to well- or ill-chosen orienting of the body against the acceleration. Our heroes here seem to be lying on their backs, which is good. But they don't seem to be doing nine gees. If anything, they're close to zero gee, their pods not accelerating much vs. the rocky background.
Timo Saloniemi
The line was just a way to set up a joke at Connelly 's expense by the writers don't look too much into it.
Kirk free-climbed El Capitan as an out of shape man in his 50s. Spock was resurrected from the dead and was the only person in the entire galaxy who picked up a message from a giant space dildo. Main characters do extraordinary things. Film at eleven. Except the thing you mention about Burnham isn't even that extraordinary.
Anyway, Burnham has human parents and has been scanned throughout her Starfleet career numerous times. She's human.
And this feels like a backdoor attempt to do another Burnham = Mary Sue thread.
Anyway, Burnham has human parents and has been scanned throughout her Starfleet career numerous times. She's human.
And this feels like a backdoor attempt to do another Burnham = Mary Sue thread.
...As far as the specific dialogue goes, Burnham and Connolly could be bantering about the pod doing nine gees, while the occupant is comfortably sitting/lying in artificially damped one gee. After all, doing nine gees in that rubble (or whatever environment was involved in the test flights, supposedly applicable to the situation at hand because the pods are!) would be quite a thing (even though Trek spacecraft in free space can apparently do hundreds with ease, as sometimes visually confirmed and sometimes implied by travel times), and specifically a mighty feat of piloting. Lesser pilots would have to throttle down.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Burnham was the Valedictorian at the Vulcan Science Academy.
She's been genetically modified by Sarek, or she has ancesters who were 20th century Supermen.
Post Human.
She's been genetically modified by Sarek, or she has ancesters who were 20th century Supermen.
Post Human.
Just handwave it that future humans are better adjusted to it, medical science allows it or can treat the effects of it or the ship is engineered to take it without harming the pilot.
A "gee" is a handy unit of acceleration, or of the force you feel from acceleration or gravitic pull. Say, Earth pulls your mass m with the force F according to F=ma or "F equals m times a" where a is the acceleration associated with gravity - but you'd feel that same force press you into the back of your seat if you were in a car that accelerated at a. Instead of quoting the exact numbers, folks like to talk about this as multiples of Earth's pull: we all live under one gee, but a fighter pilot doing a tight turn might have to take nine gees for a brief while (not many jets are built to take that much, though). And just like Earth pulls our blood towards our feet, giving the heart a hard time, the tight turn will do the same - sometimes ninefold, meaning you faint and then die.
The thing is, if you move at a steady speed, no matter how high, there's no acceleration and thus no force. We didn't see Burnham's pod accelerate much, except at the very moment of launch; after that, it was just sideways nudges that never looked like they could be more than a couple of gees. Why would the test flight she alludes to have been so immensely worse, with eleven minutes of constant high acceleration? Especially in Star Trek where acceleration is negated by magic fields.
High gees aren't a space thing, really. The shuttle pilots had to endure about three gee at launch; big roller coasters are worse. People flying traditional rockets may face nine or so if their emergency escape rocket yanks them away from an exploding booster or something, though. Really high (if brief) accelerations come from collisions, ejections, explosions - the stuff that seldom happens in space. Except in fiction...
Timo Saloniemi
That was actually the impression I got. Starfleet have adjustable artificial gravity technology, I just assumed it could be reversed onboard craft to compensate.
THISSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! All the techno-babble bullshit that IS Trek........but if Burnham does it, it is bullshit. So may other examples as well.
She's another intruder from another universe, a surgically-altered Xelayan.
Hopefully Pike likes pickles.
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