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Bryan Fuller: Diversity is key

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I'm not disputing but asking because I'm genuinely curious, but in terms of film/TV representation, I've never seen a need to separate different white nationalities as different ethnicities.*

*Chekhov gets a pass as a Russian during the 60s.
Others were breaking things down like that, so I followed suit. My original impulse was "three white guys".
 
I guess it depends which way I looked at it. In terms of "diversity" I (as a White Englishman) do prefer it when series have a wider varirty of nationalities, but I've never thought of Scottish, Welsh, etc in terms of "representation" before.

Oddly, you can see how we feel in our own British media. Scotland has been making a massive stir, but we're still seen as troublesome Scots. And now for the first time ever a lot of the UK are suddenly realising who the political parties are in Ireland and realising it's not all Father Ted over there.

I consider myself to be generic boring white so I'm not really dying to see myself represented but I do notice that Italians hardly ever get positive representation in American media. In general it's never Italians anyway but Italian-American caricatures (and apparently Italy=Sicily).

Yep. Italians are all too often another crime/mob film or a sleazy persona for a sitcom. It's very strange to me considering how many cultures make up the united states.

Its why I prefer the novelverse, (especially Vanguard/Seekers series - an Iranian female captain, Spanish male commodore, English female captain of Indian descent, Japanese captain, Vietnamese male nurse as well as the usual smattering of Caucasian humans) much more diverse, all human nations are represented and a lot of Federation characters who are neither human or humanoid

I've never been big on the novels as it can often seem fan fictiony, but thats pretty good!

I've became ridiculously happy with a show recently (that annoyingly got cancelled) as they had a real sense of diversity of culture. It's a small step in the right direction - but I was really pleased to hear Yeoh's accent in the trailer just to have a captain who wasn't American (or British-French :p) and I'm really hoping there's more of it.
 
Yeah, I was actually surprised Netflix would pull this stunt on us. I figured that Netflix would have to start cancelling shows at some point but... I thought they'd at least give the show a proper ending?
 
I happen to think so, at least the good ones that were researched properly.
Which specific movies?

A lot of them, depending on when they are made, are pure propaganda. Others seem to downplay the involvement of other countries, pushing the narrative that America came in and won it alone.
I'm still hoping a fan campaign can at least get a 2hour special to wrap things up....
Netflix responded to the fan campaign, it's gone for good. :(

I'm really disappointed about it being cancelled. It really meant a lot to me, more than most shows ever could.
 
Which specific movies?

A lot of them, depending on when they are made, are pure propaganda. Others seem to downplay the involvement of other countries, pushing the narrative that America came in and won it alone.

Netflix responded to the fan campaign, it's gone for good. :(

I'm really disappointed about it being cancelled. It really meant a lot to me, more than most shows ever could.

My father was always rather fond of The Battle Of Britain, and by all accounts it's very accurate. There are accurate films out there. Not everything is Braveheart.
 
How many British war movies show brave British men fighting for their country/empire alongside the armed forces/conscripts from the Commonwealth, and not just Australians and Canadians?
 
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How many British war movies show brave British men fighting for their country with the alongside the armed forces/conscripts from the Commonwealth, and not just Australians and Canadians?

I am no expert, but I vaguely remember a couple (as I have stated, it's my dads area really.) so should try tracking them down. Not least as that kind of positive thing is lacking these days. The problem is that historically speaking, for certain wars, a lot of the regiments were local regiments, so it was unusual enough to end up with say Londoners and Scots fighting alongside (that seemed like a good idea for morale at the time...sign up with your mates and give the Hun a kicking...till whole streets were turned into widows row. They were literally called street regiments.) let alone more distant parts. I personally would have enjoyed a more mixed portrayal, cos when you are a kid, you like to map yourself into these heroics (which is what representation is all about at the end of the day) and it would be nice to see a group that reminds me of me and my mates (read an article on io9 about predator today...someone posted a patch of the sort of odd action dude bro handshake thing. One white arm, one dark arm....the kind of heroic buddy thing you just don't see as often these days...which is odd cos it's basically a staple of eighties action movies. Lethal Weapon being the obvious....made me nostalgic for running round the playground a billion years ago. In those days we didn't care tbh though...I was as likely to 'be' jones from Police Academy or Axel Foley as I was Biggles or somesuch...no rules saying my best mate couldn't be Han Solo or Tackleberry just because his ancestors were on the savannahs when mine were in the mountains either. In fact he preferred being Tackleberry, same way I was better at the noises for jones. Nostalgia trip over. XD)
 
How many British war movies show brave British men fighting for their country with the alongside the armed forces/conscripts from the Commonwealth, and not just Australians and Canadians?
I know Wonder Woman has been getting a lot of criticism for it's lack of Women of Colour, but I have to admit I was picked up on quite a few Turbans etc showing the variety of soldiers in the crowd scenes.
 
^India had one of the largest representations for the British Empire in World War 2 (2.5 million men) but you would not know it from watching war based movies, be they historical dramas or comic book fiction.

I like historical dramas, been watching The Crown and it is fascinating as well as insulting how imperialistic the establishment was about the Empire. Why to this day do brown skinned nations insist on having a Head of State who will never look like them? If the situation was reversed Caucasian British people would never stand for it. They have this born to rule attitude which is both fascinating and obnoxious - products of their time.
 
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