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Bryan Fuller: Diversity is key

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Your opinions do not equal facts.
https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/

I however have scientific backing. But keep telling yourself, it's "just my opinion".

Have you even read their posts?

They already said there can be more then one sex.

They’re saying you can’t change your sex, no amount of therapy or medical treatments will change your sex. Your DNA will not change.

You can change your gender yes.
 
Have you even read their posts?

They already said there can be more then one sex.

They’re saying you can’t change your sex, no amount of therapy or medical treatments will change your sex. Your DNA will not change.

You can change your gender yes.

Exactly,

gender however is fluid. Gender is largely based on socially defined gender roles.
Gender roles are likely to change especially as a society progresses socially towards a future where such things as skin color or capitalism are no longer a thought, in a society where taking care of society is paramount.

It's possible that diversity among genders in the future would simply look very different. Their concept on gender roles may be a more broad thinking than simply "accepting people who want to conform to a gender separate from their sex". They may simply not have such similar gender constraints for there to be anything to deny or accept.
 
Exactly,

gender however is fluid. Gender is largely based on socially defined gender roles.
Gender roles are likely to change especially as a society progresses socially towards a future where such things as skin color or capitalism are no longer a thought, in a society where taking care of society is paramount.

It's possible that diversity among genders in the future would simply look very different. Their concept on gender roles may be a more broad thinking than simply "accepting people who want to conform to a gender separate from their sex". They may simply not have such similar gender constraints for there to be anything to deny or accept.
I'm not sure this is the hill you want to die on. My advise, just walk away... quickly.
 
I'm not sure this is the hill you want to die on. My advise, just walk away... quickly.

it's a discussion board on the internet, imagining what diversity and gender would look like in the future is simply that, imagining, discussing it is simply discussing it.

I don't consider a discussion something to fear, or something that would get someone "killed" someone. I don't find it something to walk to or walk away from. It's just a discussion.

I wouldn't think imagining a future is something that would garner universal agreement either. But I find the topic of gender roles more interesting than discussing other diversity topics in the future because it's more complicated. Skin color isn't very complicated, most people know there is no superiority in skin color, imagining what a civilized the future looks like in that regard to me is easier. But gender and gender roles are largely a social construct, and society as it grows and changes, changes these constructs all on their own, and imagining what those social constructs would look like in the future is interesting to me.

Why would this be something I feel would be a hill on which to die or something to run away from?

:shrug:
 
I’m sorry you reject current scientific research in order to keep your comforting beliefs intact. I’m done arguing with you, you clearly have no intention in learning anything, just spouting that you believe you’re right and that’s good enough. I’d have better luck debating flat earthers. Goodbye.
 
Have you even read their posts?

They already said there can be more then one sex.

They’re saying you can’t change your sex, no amount of therapy or medical treatments will change your sex. Your DNA will not change.

You can change your gender yes.
Bingo. You can't change your sex anymore than you can change your species. It isn't happening no matter what you feel or many times you say otherwise. You are what you are. Period.
 
In the future, when Baxten the transphobic troll reappears with yet another dual, do not respond to his post. He's certainly proven he's not going to (or wants to) learn anything new, and even if you're trying to educate other people by refuting him, once we delete his post and ban the dual it's going to remove the context for your response. It's better to just report his post and then pretend it doesn't exist until the mods come along to remove him and his post.

Carrying on a multi-page follow up argument to his transphobic nonsense is just giving him what he wants.

I'm shutting this thread down, since Fuller isn't even part of the show anymore and we're just arguing transgender issues instead of the show itself.
 
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