Breath Identification

[Long Syntax]

Seriously, Breath ID? Between the spore drive and Breath ID I really have to try hard to suspend disbelief.

Even the pseudo science of it makes me scratch my head - can breath be that unique among same species as to offer a reliable way to identify someone? It seems the answer is NO as Burnham easily circumvented the measure to gain access to the lab.

Now, as a defensive weapon I can see it - we've all known people with deadly breath.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I suppose my biggest problem was how easy it was to fake.
you'd figure in the future there would be something a little more redundant like breath, finger print, a retinal scan and a face scan.

 

[Long Syntax]

I suppose my biggest problem was how easy it was to fake.
you'd figure in the future there would be something a little more redundant like breath, finger print, a retinal scan and a face scan.

Ya know, there's something wrong with me... I read retinal scan as rectal scan

 

[BillJ]

I suppose my biggest problem was how easy it was to fake.
you'd figure in the future there would be something a little more redundant like breath, finger print, a retinal scan and a face scan.

Or on a super-secret spy ship, a subcutaneous transponder that identifies the person trying to enter.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Or on a super-secret spy ship, a subcutaneous transponder that identifies the person trying to enter.

im sorry my brain isn't as smart as yours..... I think it's broke.

Ya know, there's something wrong with me... I read retinal scan as rectal scan

Man, you'd have to be REAL sure you wanted in that room. And EXTRA SPECIAL sure that you wanted to fake it, to get in that room

 

[BillJ]

Any type of redundancy kills the ability for Burnham to enter.

Though it does bring up a question: she is supposed to be escorted at all times. Why did no one report the mutineer was out of her quarters when she wasn't supposed to be?

 

[Noname Given]

Any type of redundancy kills the ability for Burnham to enter.

Though it does bring up a question: she is supposed to be escorted at all times. Why did no one report the mutineer was out of her quarters when she wasn't supposed to be?

It was obviously part of Lorca's 'test' of her. Remember when he spoke to her in the Engineering section at the end where he shows her what the Spores allow, he told her "You broke in here..." <--- So yes, hew knew and was watching (or had someone watching/reporting everything she did.)

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I suppose my biggest problem was how easy it was to fake.
you'd figure in the future there would be something a little more redundant like breath, finger print, a retinal scan and a face scan.

I am not sure it is easy to fake. She did not sneak in, she was allowed in.

 

[BillJ]

It was obviously part of Lorca's 'test' of her. Remember when he spoke to her in the Engineering section at the end where he shows her what the Spores allow, he told her "You broke in here..." <--- So yes, hew knew and was watching (or had someone watching/reporting everything she did.)

But unless the whole crew is in on it, it seems like she would've had a tough time getting to engineering unnoticed.

 

[Long Syntax]

I am not sure it is easy to fake. She did not sneak in, she was allowed in.

Halitosis as a means of identification doesn't seem like it would be very reliable.

 

[Noname Given]

But unless the whole crew is in on it, it seems like she would've had a tough time getting to engineering unnoticed.

Or Lorca said to Security - "...Clear the Corriders - let her pass and do what she wants..." as he watched her go in and do what she did.

 

[OpenMaw]

All I can think right now is "Please try again... Please try again... Thank you, General Perez."

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Or Lorca said to Security - "...Clear the Corriders - let her pass and do what she wants..." as he watched her go in and do what she did.

Either way, I think this is the type of thing where we're doing the writer's job for them, and IMO its an example of a plot hole that they didn't well set up or well explain.

 

[Noname Given]

Either way, I think this is the type of thing where we're doing the writer's job for them, and IMO its an example of a plot hole that they didn't well set up or well explain.

I don't read it that way. If there's one Trek trope (other shows also do this) I hate it's the absolute need to spell everything out to the viewer. Yes, they could have had a shot of Lorca looking at Burnham through a monitor as she did what she did - but I think it plays better and keeps the viewers who are really trying to watch with a "Hey, how did she get this far; why isn't Security stopping her" - and then we find out by ONE line of dialogue from him directly to her that he obviously was.

That's one thing I HATED abiout the way TNG was written - they needlessly kept stating what they were doing over and over:
Example: TNG - "Best of Both Worlds II":
(Full Transcript: http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/175.htm)

[Transporter room]

O'BRIEN: The Borg have adapted their electromagnetic field to prevent main transporter functions, sir.
RIKER [OC]: As expected. Mister Data, Mister Worf, proceed as we discussed.
DATA: Aye, Captain.
(They switch on devices on their arms)
.
.
.
DATA: Shuttle launch sequence confirmed. Departing Enterprise in exactly three seconds.
.
.
.
[Shuttlecraft]

WORF: Shuttle has penetrated the Borg electromagnetic field.
RIKER [OC]: Understood.
DATA: The shuttle escape transporter should provide enough power to beam us onto the Borg ship from here, sir

[Battle bridge]

RIKER: Proceed.

[Borg ship]

(Worf and Data materialise, and head towards Picard the Borg. They each shoot two drones before Worf goes hand to hand with Picard. Data shoots a third drone)
WORF: Data!
(Borg Picard is easily as strong as Worf. Data does something to the back of Picard's neck to knock him out, then all three beam back aboard the shuttlecraft)

[Shuttlecraft]

WORF: Mission accomplished. We have him.
DATA: Firing shuttle thrusters.
(The shuttlecraft goes back out through the Borg shield)

^^^
For myself all the bolded dialogue is unnecessary - there are enough visual effects and preceding dialogue that the characters could have done all that without having to say a word - assuming the person is actually WATCHING sad scene.

Stuff like this was worse in the TNG feature films:
TNG Film - Insurrection:
(Full Transcript: http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie9.html)

WORF: If we fire a tachyon burst, it may force him to reset his shield harmonics. When he does, we can beam him out.
PICARD: Make it so.
WORF: Direct hit. He is resetting his shield harmonics.
PICARD: Beam him out!

^^^
Seriously are attention spans so short that you have to have every detail mentioned or have characters repeating what was said to the audience just seconds before. <-- To me that's hamfisted writing and really writing down to you audience. I thought as Star trek fans we're all supposed to be bright enough to figure stuff out/follow a plot.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

That's one thing I HATED abiout the way TNG was written - they needlessly kept stating what they were doing over and over:

I LOVED that,

dig me the overt nerd speak.

My favorite scene in the Matrix series was all the overt logic and nerd speak between Neo and the Architect...

 

[Spider]

A breathalyzer would most certainly keep me out of any room with valuables.

 

[XCV330]

the technology is a derivative of the "Alexander The Greatalyzer" which bears no relation to a Hunalyzer

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Three guesses as to how this gets parodied on The Orville next season.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Three guesses as to how this gets parodied on The Orville next season.

Im hoping it has something to do with farting or belching....

 

[BillJ]

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