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BREAKING: Paramount Sets Top Secret Star Trek Movie For Summer 2023; To Be Produced By J.J. Abrams

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Do we even know ST's streaming metrics, or the economy of streaming in general? I have to believe some basic input/output still matters.

While I'm not sold on the metric, there is one out there that steadily showed that Discovery was very popular over the first three seasons. I'm sure that someone here can point to the actual name of the service, as I can't remember it off of the top of my head.

Thing is, they can't even sell STD to a wider audience after they decided to re-tool it. Those numbers may go down, they're not going to go up.

In the long history of TV, not too many shows gain audience as they run. So even if CBS' numbers are eroding to some degree, it would be expected. In Star Trek's case, Viacom knows how many people are subscribing and what they are subscribing for by monitoring viewership. And the numbers being kept internally is nothing new with streaming. They don't owe it to us to make their internal metrics public.

That there's nothing REALLY in need of improvement

Improvement in whose eyes?
 
In the long history of TV, not too many shows gain audience as they run. So even if CBS' numbers are eroding to some degree, it would be expected. In Star Trek's case, Viacom knows how many people are subscribing and what they are subscribing for by monitoring viewership. And the numbers being kept internally is nothing new with streaming. They don't owe it to us to make their internal metrics public.
Indeed. The constant production of product indicates they are satisfied with the current results.
 
Do we even know ST's streaming metrics, or the economy of streaming in general? I have to believe some basic input/output still matters. Kurtzman Trek presumably costs a lot more than Berman, and yet supposedly doesn't even deliver the number of people that couldn't keep ENT on the air (a presumption that was regularly thrown in my face whenever I cited Berman Trek's ruler-steady viewership decline but was still known to be defending STD). I can easily believe STP has been more successful; whether curious viewers will stick around may be another matter.
The way streaming works is that there's no middle-men. Instead of money being split between the makers of a show and the network it plays on and being derived from ads, it all goes direct from the viewer's account to the makers of the show.

So Picard or Discovery may be seen by fewer people than Enterprise in it's last days, while still being far more profitable.
 
I think direct profit from a show is far less knowable now. It used to be ad dollars in during the Mon. night 7:30 slot v. money spent on show.

(And yes, I know there were still accounting sleights-of-hand: Do we bill the construciton of the Enterprise to the Cage or amortize it over 79 eps, etc.?)

Now they instantly know second-to-second how many streams are going. But they get their money from subscriptions. More must be inferred now, I think, as to what is causing revenue. Anyone w/ REAL industry/metrics knowledge, jump in at any time. New subscriptions when a new show premiers would be a "tell."

Anyway, I think it is a good inference that CBS execs are pleased with their shows. Perhaps they ARE loss leaders. Remember that in the new economy you can lose money for years (cough, Amazon, Twitter, Uber, cough) but if you become THE one, you assume profits will eventually happen.

And as to being satisfied with not-quality product/storytelling, remember that many people like these iterations and think they're good. So if CBS leaders are in that camp, they're not tolerating crap for corporate reasons, they're producing good stuff, and meeting corporate goals. Because of "investment bias" and groupthink, I'd actually bet those in the CBS offices think they're producing good stuff, not mediocre. It's only natural.

So the suffering-of-mediocre-for-corporate-goals idea itself is probably off base.

Though it's true, We generally get what we tolerate.
 
Ha, yeah it's really not my problem, is it?

I would welcome a movie (back to OP) that was a bit more overtly thoughtful. I know it's IN there in STID, which I should watch again, but I like more what-if, etc in my sf.
 
Ha, yeah it's really not my problem, is it?

I would welcome a movie (back to OP) that was a bit more overtly thoughtful. I know it's IN there in STID, which I should watch again, but I like more what-if, etc in my sf.
I agree. The Kelvin films are very well done but their pacing could use a slight slow done to let those incredible character moments breathe a bit more.
 
and where did this planet have anything to do with any conspiracy theory?

Read the piece. It was part of the cult "the world is ending in 2012 with the Mayan apocalypse" theory, something that organizations like NASA had to put out statements saying "This isn't going to happen." I'm sure there are those who thought it would happen and the government was covering it up.
 
Read the piece. It was part of the cult "the world is ending in 2012 with the Mayan apocalypse" theory, something that organizations like NASA had to put out statements saying "This isn't going to happen." I'm sure there are those who thought it would happen and the government was covering it up.
Might want to look up the planet Vulcan.

Nibiru was a cool name, at no point do I believe anyone involved in the making of the movie thought it was real.
 
Do they have a script nailed down and a director hired yet? Haven't been following this very closely, but even December of '23 seems optimistic.
The director of Wandavision and the writer of Captain Marvel. Presumably, they think MCU creatives and a Star Wars release date will make it more profitable, but they need to realize that in order to make money you first have to actually make a movie.
 
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