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BREAKING: Official Fan Film Guidelines Issued

Yeah, but constantly trying to figure out exactly which poke will piss the bear off is unnecessary and needlessly provocative. If you just stick to what the freaking guidelines say to the best of your ability you won't show up on CBS/P's radar at all. And there's an unwritten guideline that everybody should follow if they want to do something in a trek fan film that raises a question in their head: When in doubt, just don't fucking do it, okay?
I seriously don't think it's that complicated. The underlying message of this whole thing has been: don't over reach.

Look back at how we got to this point. Certain productions had become evermore sophisticated and polished to the point they were being talked about in the broader media. That still mightn't have really registered much beyond the dedicated fan base. NV, STC, Renegades, Horizon and maybe some others were pushing the envelope yet CBS/P still said nothing.

Now along comes Alec Peters with Axanar and he pushes too far. He boasts he is going to best CBS/P at their own game and he decides to make more than a few bucks while he's at it and set himself up to make even more down the road.

What is the real distinction? The other productions took whatever they collected and put all of it into making the features those who supported them expected to see. They also kept their heads down and didn't make too much noise about themselves either. In contrast it seems little of what AP collected actually went into the production Axanar's supporters expected to see. The $1.3 million just seem to evaporate into other things other than making the actual Axanar feature.

AP clearly rang CBS/P's bell and they called him on it. They told him to knock it off and he stupidly ignored them.

CBS/P might have now considered they might have let things get a little too far even while understanding the vast majority of fan productions were well meaning and meant no harm. They appear to have reasoned that while AP had to be taken to task for his blatant crossing the line they would also send a friendly signal to other productions to try preventing any future transgressions like Axanar.

They could have been hardball about it, but they chose a much more sympathetic approach. They don't want to unduly alienate the fan base. So they issue a set of guidelines to convey what they will tolerate from the fan community.

And they are deliberately vague with some of those guidelines and vague on possible repercussions. They are essentially suggesting productions adhere to these guidelines, but they refrain from expressly forbidding anyone from going beyond said guidelines.

The message: tread carefully and don't overreach.
 
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I'm amazed at the pro-corporate leaning of most of the forum members here, and the personal attacks on AP.
What kind of story can be told in fifteen minutes? None....
This is all about CBS not wanting any competition with their new (for god sakes) ONLINE series....
If STC or STP2 was just coming online now with fundraising you all would have been cursing the lead players in those series.
ANY of you who enjoyed any fan films, why drag a name thru the mud of someone who actually tried to create another one?
 
I'm amazed at the pro-corporate leaning of most of the forum members here, and the personal attacks on AP.

Why does WHO owns a copyright have anything to do with someone stealing it? Would you be all like, "nah, that's ok" if someone stole IP from Peters? Isn't that hypocrisy?

I'll be blunt: the same copyright law that protects CBS and Paramount protects ME and my work.

And many of the personal attacks--that aren't about the lawsuit and his own behavior have been condemned in this thread.

What kind of story can be told in fifteen minutes? None....

Here's a list of Pixar shorts.
That number seems much larger than none. And all of them are under 15 minutes.

This is all about CBS not wanting any competition with their new (for god sakes) ONLINE series....

Competition? Do you see that Axanar is getting anywhere close to numbers that would keep something on the air?

If STC or STP2 was just coming online now with fundraising you all would have been cursing the lead players in those series.

Why? Do you think they are doing the same things as Peters? (Paying himself a salary? Using donor money to fund a for profit studio? Selling merchandise?)

ANY of you who enjoyed any fan films, why drag a name thru the mud of someone who actually tried to create another one?

Because Peters just ruined it for everyone? Before he paid himself, before he raised money for a for profit studio, before he shat on all the other fan films, there were specific guidelines--like that 15 minute limit that you hate--and the fan films were allowed a great deal of freedom. And now...? Well those same fan films you mentioned, STC and Phase 2, are not able to continue...

So, the basis of your question is wrong... he didn't just try and create another fan film. Again: paid himself, used DONOR money to fund a for profit studio... you need to deal with those facts before comparing his actions to those of the others.

Good luck with that.
 
I'm amazed at the pro-corporate leaning of most of the forum members here, and the personal attacks on AP.
What kind of story can be told in fifteen minutes? None....
This is all about CBS not wanting any competition with their new (for god sakes) ONLINE series....
If STC or STP2 was just coming online now with fundraising you all would have been cursing the lead players in those series.
ANY of you who enjoyed any fan films, why drag a name thru the mud of someone who actually tried to create another one?
^^^^
Semper Fi keyboard Marine. (Oh, and don't forget Alec peters and Co. need more Sushi so whip out that credit card.)

Seriously, it's hardly "pro-corporate" to see a blatant grifter who somehow feels entitled to STEAL, and make money off an IP he doesn't have any rights to simply because he's a long time fan, and thus is entitled to do what he wants and PROFT from it as he sees fit.

Oh, and BTW - I'm one of the idiots who initially enabled Alec peters by Pledging $75 in the first Axanar feature campaign (which BTW didn't mention anything about building a studio.) Don't feel sorry for me though as it was my own fault for pledging before I did any real checking into Alec Peters background. He seems to make a habit of stealing from various IPs and trying to profit off them and misrepresent intent, etc.
 
My feeling is Axanar is the scapegoat for everyone here, this would have happened regardless with the new CBS series coming. Remember when everyone thought that they would just swat down Axanar because of what they deemed financial profit making on a IP? Why didn't they just shut down Axanar and leave the others alone?
The guidelines are just to stringent for any worthwhile series (can I say that word anymore?) to continue...
Goodbye STC and STP2 its been great......
I for one will boycott the series as I do the crap that is JJ ...
 
My feeling is Axanar is the scapegoat for everyone here, this would have happened regardless with the new CBS series coming. Remember when everyone thought that they would just swat down Axanar because of what they deemed financial profit making on a IP? Why didn't they just shut down Axanar and leave the others alone?
The guidelines are just to stringent for any worthwhile series (can I say that word anymore?) to continue...
Goodbye STC and STP2 its been great......
I for one will boycott the series as I do the crap that is JJ ...
Your "feeling" is irrelevant. And as far as shutting down Axanar what the hell do you think the lawsuit is doing?

And CBS/P hasn't really shut anyone else down in terms of ordering them to do so. If other productions can adapt to the new landscape then they are free to continue.
 
My feeling is Axanar is the scapegoat for everyone here, this would have happened regardless with the new CBS series coming.

That's possible. However, and, I would love for you to address it: Axanar is also the only one that used DONOR money to build a FOR profit studio.

Remember when everyone thought that they would just swat down Axanar because of what they deemed financial profit making on a IP?

Well, a part of your question we don't know. We don't know why CBS and Paramount pulled the trigger with Axanar and not the others. Axanar did things the others did NOT do.
Why didn't they just shut down Axanar and leave the others alone?

Well. Maybe it was the egregious level of theft? Raising over a million dollars, paying the producer out of donor cash, building a studio--to be used to make FOR profit movies--from donor funds, selling coffee and models in a "donor store."

I would love it if you addressed those issues--as they are unique to Axanar.

The guidelines are just to stringent for any worthwhile series (can I say that word anymore?) to continue...
Goodbye STC and STP2 its been great......

#ThanksAlec

I for one will boycott the series as I do the crap that is JJ ...

Ok? I guess? Even though the new series isn't being produced by JJ...
 
Oh, so now we have Potemkin stooping to self-promotion. What's going to be next? Someone from a fan-film getting a cameo role in a JJ Abrams film? :whistle:
 
That's a wonderful snippet of ST, and more than I will ever attempt or do.
But, the next fan made '"CIty on the edge of FOREVER" type of story can't be told in 15 minutes.
These guidelines are created to make sure all fan films stay in the amateur hour..eh..amateur quarter hour.
I have yet to see a fan production on the same level as "The City On The Edge Of Forever" and I've quite enjoyed some of them.
 
That's a wonderful snippet of ST, and more than I will ever attempt or do.
But, the next fan made '"CIty on the edge of FOREVER" type of story can't be told in 15 minutes.
These guidelines are created to make sure all fan films stay in the amateur hour..eh..amateur quarter hour.

This is one of the first correct things you've said. That's the point.
Unless you are CBS or Paramount, you have NO LEGAL RIGHT to make a professional Star Trek film.

How about addressing Peters use of fan film donation money to build a for profit studio?

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That would violate rule #5. :brickwall:

Actually, it wouldn't. It would just mean that person couldn't do a fan film afterwards--if they were paid, i.e., worked for CBS/Paramount, for their cameo.
 
I'm amazed at the pro-corporate leaning of most of the forum members here, and the personal attacks on AP.
What kind of story can be told in fifteen minutes? None....
This is all about CBS not wanting any competition with their new (for god sakes) ONLINE series....
If STC or STP2 was just coming online now with fundraising you all would have been cursing the lead players in those series.
ANY of you who enjoyed any fan films, why drag a name thru the mud of someone who actually tried to create another one?

The procorporate leaning is because they are the legal owners of the franchise and, frankly, they did not have to be as gracious as they have been. They could've said no more fanfilms at all and they didn't, they gave options to continue them. Are they as forgiving as they once were? No, but that is their choice and their right.

In reality I consider myself profan because I support CBS and their decision because they are allowing fans a great latitude when they could simply just swat everyone like a fly.

As for AP there are a great many entries in the Axanar thread to answer that question.
 
This is one of the first correct things you've said. That's the point.
Unless you are CBS or Paramount, you have NO LEGAL RIGHT to make a professional Star Trek film.

How about addressing Peters use of fan film donation money to build a for profit studio?

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Actually, it wouldn't. It would just mean that person couldn't do a fan film afterwards--if they were paid, i.e., worked for CBS/Paramount, for their cameo.

My feeling is when you donate money, you enjoy the type of work they do, and as long as you get the original promise....
if they are able to squeeze more out of the donated money to create more art that you will enjoy..cool.
Plus it's a donation, your not a shareholder.....
Maybe it's me, I get gas when I'm near empty, I don't look for the best price.
 
My feeling is when you donate money, you enjoy the type of work they do, and as long as you get the original promise....

Do you think they spending money on a studio--to make money with later--was a wise choice?
Do you think it's right for them to raise capital with someone else's property to make a studio?

if they are able to squeeze more out of the donated money to create more art that you will enjoy..cool.
Plus it's a donation, your not a shareholder.....

But... they haven't created ANY art... or really, just a SCENE. They raised a million dollars... and they haven't made anything.

And, exactly, you are a donor for a movie... not a donor to build a FOR profit studio. You don't see that as a problem? If it's not a problem, why didn't they put that in their crowdsourcing pages: i.e., we are raising money to build a for profit studio?

Maybe it's me, I get gas when I'm near empty, I don't look for the best price.

I'm not sure what that has to do with Axanar.... That it's a waste of money? You don't mind wasting money?
But, then, Axanar had a whole lot of money. A better analogy might be: they bought all of this gas, but, they are waiting to buy a car to use it.
 
My feeling is when you donate money, you enjoy the type of work they do, and as long as you get the original promise....
if they are able to squeeze more out of the donated money to create more art that you will enjoy..cool.
Plus it's a donation, your not a shareholder.....
Maybe it's me, I get gas when I'm near empty, I don't look for the best price.

Except that Peters hasn't created shit. $1.3 million has thus far produced a 3-minute extraneous scene and incomplete sets. No actual movie - the thing donors were contributing for - has been made.
 
That's a wonderful snippet of ST, and more than I will ever attempt or do.
But, the next fan made '"CIty on the edge of FOREVER" type of story can't be told in 15 minutes.
These guidelines are created to make sure all fan films stay in the amateur hour..eh..amateur quarter hour.
You mean, like they use to be? Before crowd-funding made them decide they could be like the pros? Back when my friends and I would make our own costumes, props, borrow locations and equipment, and shoot it in a weekend? That kind of amateur?

Also, "City on the Edge of Forever" is moving the goal posts. Hopefully you're not expecting that from Axanar.
 
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