Very... strict.
BREAKING: Official Fan Film Guidelines Issued
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Mine isn't suspicion. And there's no nebulas. Just *hope*. And hope usually is baseless, yes.
So true.
Wait... we're Trek fans. Aren't we supposed to be optimistic and hopeful?
Kor
Yes, it's a bit silly to think fans passionate enough to create or support Star Trek fan films wouldn't express a similar interest in any official releases. It's also not as though fan productions are mainstream enough- or their audiences sizeable enough- that Paramount would ever need to worry anyway.
But this whole "entitlement" argument works both ways, imo. It's true that fans don't have any right to complain about something they don't legally own. At the same time, there's nothing that says a company or franchise is automatically entitled to continued success indefinitely. Everything runs its course and if you want to stave off the inevitable, you need to keep your audience happy.
The last Star Trek film made almost half a billion dollars and the studio was still disappointed. The last tv series was cancelled over a decade ago. It would not be that unusual for either of the new ventures to fall short of expectations, especially in today's competitive climate. The studio may not owe anything to the fanbase, but it's still in their best interest to try and keep them happily tuning in. I assume that's the only reason we're not reading about an official cease and desist being handed down to ANY kind of fan production activity.
agreed as fans we are not cash cows for studios to serve up any old rubbish to, and give it both our money and our undying support, the first JJ movie, has some heavy lifting to do resetting the timeline, but it manages to do both that and a good movie, but its not a good Star Trek movie, it is its own thing, hence why some fans are cold on it. CBS is not giving the fanbase proper Star Trek, and this fan films are, this is the beauty of having a prime universe and the movie universe.
The studios go out of there way to say these movies are not for the fans, and the cast even those who you would think would be Star Trek fans tell us they are not Star Trek movies (mentioning no names), then the studios wonder why the fans favour the Fan films made in the spirit of prime universe over their rebooted mass market Star Trek themed action movies.
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Despite the recent issuing of guidelines, RENEGADES continues filming its last episode, "Requiem."
See: https://twitter.com/TrekRenegades/status/746413193812127748
https://twitter.com/TrekRenegades/status/745750823339122690
To be fair, they began shooting before the guidelines dropped.
@Tom, has RENEGADES put out a statement on the guidelines yet?
See: https://twitter.com/TrekRenegades/status/746413193812127748
https://twitter.com/TrekRenegades/status/745750823339122690
To be fair, they began shooting before the guidelines dropped.
@Tom, has RENEGADES put out a statement on the guidelines yet?
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I've just skimmed the last few pages, so forgive me if this has been covered upthread ...
AP basically demanded fan film guidelines. CBS provided fan film guidelines. The guidelines are pretty much an answer to everything that AP did in his quest to make Axanar (read: personally profit from stolen IP). That they affect other fan films is unfortunate, but there is only one person to blame. If you're wondering who, he's the only named defendant in the lawsuit.
AP basically demanded fan film guidelines. CBS provided fan film guidelines. The guidelines are pretty much an answer to everything that AP did in his quest to make Axanar (read: personally profit from stolen IP). That they affect other fan films is unfortunate, but there is only one person to blame. If you're wondering who, he's the only named defendant in the lawsuit.
I'm not hopeful, but after the lawsuit is resolved it wouldn't surprise me if STC is allowed to finish its run.
The guidelines are, in my opinion, a way for CBS to say to AP that Axanar isn't going to happen, regardless of the outcome of the suit.
The guidelines are, in my opinion, a way for CBS to say to AP that Axanar isn't going to happen, regardless of the outcome of the suit.
Fan films are a fun diversion... But I wouldn't say any of them quite qualify as "proper Star Trek."
Kor
I am more into Trek now, then I have been since the mid 90s, and that is 1000 percent because of Fan Films.
I still have to finish Enterprise; I stopped watching during Voyager, and I watched the reboot movies very late and very free. ;p
I still have to finish Enterprise; I stopped watching during Voyager, and I watched the reboot movies very late and very free. ;p
Considering the most popular fan productions are outwardly hostile to JJ Trek I can see how CBS/P would get that idea. I had a feeling fan films were not long for this world when James Cawley blew up the JJ-prise and said "Time Line restored" not terribly long after having a walkon role in the 2009 film. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. That, to me, started the idea that fan films were the only true torchbarers of Trek. Axanar has been pounding the idea that they were making a Trek movie that's more true than Paramount. David Gerrold has one hissy fit after another that JJ Trek is action garbage and only fans make real work. So it's not that insane a premise to think this is what you're competing with if you're CBS/P. And who want's to compete with someone who is factually stealing their IP? This aggression shall not stand, man.
true they are proper Star Trek, of course they are not, but I find them to be more in tone with the prime universe, than the JJ movie verse, and the prime universe is Star Trek for me, as I suspect that is the case for alot of fans.
Fan films are a fun diversion... But I wouldn't say any of them quite qualify as "proper Star Trek."
Kor
the JJ movies, can be good movies, but not good Star Trek movies.
I realise I may not be unbiased on this as I might like to think, I would stress I dont think the movies are "utter garbage" but on the same level I did enjoy the "Time Line Restored" video. I also dont think that only the fan films can make good Star Trek, its just at the moment they are currently the only ones who are doing so, I have more hope for the official web series, and like ive said before I think the timing of this, is partly about that.
Maybe the fan films have been hostle towards JJs movies in the past, but its unfair to say that the fans of this series take the exact same view, as some of those who make them, and I would say fans of the fan films, are alot more engaged with the series than others, for example when Continues comes out early to people who donated to a certain level, the fans dont leak it, like fan might an official product.
For Paramount / CBS to take the view that all the people who donated to fan films, are openly hostile to them, and are not Star Trek fans, is insane, and I would be personally insulted if someone from either party said that I was less of a fan for supporting those the fan films.
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Dunno why you're making this about fans. No fans are being sued or directly effected by these rules, only the productions. They over reached and they got slapped down. If I make soda and call it Coca Cola you may not be able to drink it when Coke sues, but I get the punishment.
Part of me still thinks that would be a no because you've reused characters. It could be argued their appearance constitutes a sequel.
That being said I thought about doing the same thing.
The official Potemkin Pictures response to the new Star Trek fan productions guidelines:
We are all deeply aware that CBS and Paramount have been put in an untenable position in order to protect their intellectual property. The guidelines are what they are. Fortunately, almost all of our productions to date fall in line with almost all the restrictions placed upon fan films.
Potemkin Pictures and its productions will continue to work within the new guidelines as we understand them to the best of our ability. We love Star Trek, and we continue to look forward to sharing our adventures with our fellow fans.
We are all deeply aware that CBS and Paramount have been put in an untenable position in order to protect their intellectual property. The guidelines are what they are. Fortunately, almost all of our productions to date fall in line with almost all the restrictions placed upon fan films.
Potemkin Pictures and its productions will continue to work within the new guidelines as we understand them to the best of our ability. We love Star Trek, and we continue to look forward to sharing our adventures with our fellow fans.
Does anyone else remember when people who purported to be journalists actually *researched* the story they were doing with some thoroughness? No? Just me? And we've always been at war with Eastasia? Okay, gotcha.
because this thread goes back to this quote, where its suggested that fans take money from a franchise, not give it money,
my direct response being her, I am not of the belief these fan films, and the efforts of fans to support them, take from the main franchise, certainly not when the main franchise has headed in a different direction itself.
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/brea...uidelines-issued.281671/page-19#post-11630909
Good night.
