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Breakdown How Things Have, And Will Change In The New Timeline

Tom

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Based on what we know. If we assume the movie starts in our normal timeline and Nero goes back and destroys the U.S.S Kelvin around the same time Kirk is born, how has that event led up to the change we have seen so far in the trailer? and if we are stuck in this new altered universe how will it effect future events in the Trek universe as we know them.

This is what I think happens from the trailer and other info :

Kirks parents on the U.S.S Kelvin. Robau is the captain and George is the first offficer, or somehow able to to take command when Robau dies or is incapacitated when Nero with his vast ship, Narada, attack. Kirk's mom goes into premature labor during the Kelvin attack (maybe she was alreay in labor, why knows?). Baby Kirk (and possibly mom? or not) escape in a shuttle as George rams the Kelvin into the Narada, George goes down with the ship.

Flash forward to young Kirk at 12 or 13, Kirk is living with his uncle (maybe mom?) and has had a tough childhood being without a father. He steals his uncles antique car and goes for a joyride and get caught and in trouble, showing us how messed up he is.

Now we see Kirk in his young 20's, he is at a bar still acting like a jerk and gets into a fight. He meets up with Pike (has he met Pike before this? unknown), Pike is more of a father figure to Kirk than his Uncle ever was. Pike chalenges kirk to do something with his life (join Starfleet, etc..) and after Kirk sees the Enterprise being built he has it in his mind that the ship will be his one day.

3 years or so later, Kirk is in the academy and gets aboard the newly launched Enterprise with McCoy's help. The rest you can deduce from the trailer.

So two things seem to have changed due to the Kelvin incident, Kirk's altered journey through life and possibly the Enterprise was built a a little bit later ( 10-20 year later depending on how much you want to go with the original 2245 launch date) in the normal time line (and the tech has gotten better)?

I think in Kirks normal time line, he had his father, and aspired to go to Starfleet just like his dad. Kirk worked really hard and got into the academy at 16 or 17 vs. his late entry in the new timeline at 23 or 24 possibly. By going to the academy earlier he got to serve on the Farragut and the Republic while Pike (who has not met, since there paths never crossed) is commanding the Enterprise with Spock at his side. This is also (in the altered timeline) why Kirk is at the academy at the same time as some of the other TOS crew or who are even ahead of Kirk serving on the Enterprise.

Question is, now how will Galactic events in TOS, movies, Tng and 24th century be affected? For instance the Enterprise would have probably not have been refit when Vger came, Also would they have found Kahn and the Boutny Bay? etc..
 
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Also, the 1701 seems to be completed a decade or so later than it should have been and it's larger/more advanced than in the 'real' timeline.
 
To me one of the most interesing aspects of this is TNG and the Borg. Will the Borg still be as big a threat as they where in the past? Or will Starfleet be more advanced and better prepared for an invasion? Will Picard still become a borg? Will the crew of the Ent E still have to go back in time to fix the timeline in First Contact or will the timeline be so messed up from Trek 11 that these events never happen?
 
The only thing we can be sure of is that, after Star Trek XI, "Star Trek: Enterprise" no longer exists. Probably "Voyager," too. I have this on good authority from an inside source. Pass it on.
 
To me one of the most interesing aspects of this is TNG and the Borg. Will the Borg still be as big a threat as they where in the past? Or will Starfleet be more advanced and better prepared for an invasion? Will Picard still become a borg? Will the crew of the Ent E still have to go back in time to fix the timeline in First Contact or will the timeline be so messed up from Trek 11 that these events never happen?
How do you deduce that the Kelvin's destruction has any influence on the Borg?

The only thing we can be sure of is that, after Star Trek XI, "Star Trek: Enterprise" no longer exists. Probably "Voyager," too. I have this on good authority from an inside source. Pass it on.
:eek: Also, "Code of Honor" has vanished from the first TNG disc! As has "Let He Who Is Wihtout Sin" from the fourth DS9 box! I love this new Trek continuity.
 
The only thing we can be sure of is that, after Star Trek XI, "Star Trek: Enterprise" no longer exists. Probably "Voyager," too. I have this on good authority from an inside source. Pass it on.

Theorizing that the timeline has been altered, Prime Spock steps into the Quantum Transporter and vanishes... he finds himself in the past, facing another actor in his role, facing a bald-headed Romulan and trying to put right what once went wrong, but this time making all the bad Trek go away at the same time. :lol:
 
To me one of the most interesing aspects of this is TNG and the Borg. Will the Borg still be as big a threat as they where in the past? Or will Starfleet be more advanced and better prepared for an invasion? Will Picard still become a borg? Will the crew of the Ent E still have to go back in time to fix the timeline in First Contact or will the timeline be so messed up from Trek 11 that these events never happen?
From what I've picked up the Borg more or less found out about humans/Federation when Q flung the Enterprise to their part of space. But after First Contact and that Borg episode of Enterprise, future Borg sent a message to past Borg alerting them to Earth. Other episodes did kinda hint that the higher ups at the Federation knew about the Borg is some way, so it may not change anything.
 
...facing a bald-headed Romulan and trying to put right what once went wrong, but this time making all the bad Trek go away at the same time. :lol:

Now that's something I wouldn't mind seeing Spock die for.

"The needs of the many good episodes outweigh the needs of the few (hundred) bad ones." - Old Spock
 
...facing a bald-headed Romulan and trying to put right what once went wrong, but this time making all the bad Trek go away at the same time. :lol:

Now that's something I wouldn't mind seeing Spock die for.

"The needs of the many good episodes outweigh the needs of the few (hundred) bad ones." - Old Spock

When Nero blows up the Kelvin, he also blew up a young Professor Starnes who would -- years later -- be the leader of the group that releases the Gorgan on Triacus. Without Professor Starnes to lead that expidition, the Gorgan stays stuck in that cave, and Melvin Belli never gets to portray that creepy pedophile.

I like this alternate timeline...It's exCITin'
 
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Also, the 1701 seems to be completed a decade or so later than it should have been and it's larger/more advanced than in the 'real' timeline.

I think any talk of the Enterprise all of the sudden being more advanced as a result of Nero's time traveling is completely fabricated by fans who need an explanation for every little thing. Not everyone will be able to wrap their head around it, but it's a 2009 movie, and they couldn't have the actors walking around in front of cardboard sets.
 
The only thing we can be sure of is that, after Star Trek XI, "Star Trek: Enterprise" no longer exists. Probably "Voyager," too. I have this on good authority from an inside source. Pass it on.

Except the events of ENT occur way before Nero destroys the Kelvin.

Enterprise goes bye-bye as well. The show was a spin-off of the movie Star Trek: First Contact. If J.J. Abrams' Star Trek wipes out The Next Generation it wipes out Enterprise.
 
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Also, I am fairly sure that Spock will put things right at the end. The new timeline may not be *exactly* the same, but it will probably be *mostly* the same. I've already heard JJ say that these are basically the same characters we know from TOS et al, but obviously that can't be the case if Jim Kirk turns out to be such an angsty, brattish punk. Something must happen to put things back the way they (mostly) were.
 
Also, the 1701 seems to be completed a decade or so later than it should have been and it's larger/more advanced than in the 'real' timeline.

I think any talk of the Enterprise all of the sudden being more advanced as a result of Nero's time traveling is completely fabricated by fans who need an explanation for every little thing. Not everyone will be able to wrap their head around it, but it's a 2009 movie, and they couldn't have the actors walking around in front of cardboard sets.

Logic... it's a sneaky thing. :shifty:
 
Also, the 1701 seems to be completed a decade or so later than it should have been and it's larger/more advanced than in the 'real' timeline.

I think any talk of the Enterprise all of the sudden being more advanced as a result of Nero's time traveling is completely fabricated by fans who need an explanation for every little thing. Not everyone will be able to wrap their head around it, but it's a 2009 movie, and they couldn't have the actors walking around in front of cardboard sets.

You know... I get so fucking tired of people saying the sets were cardboard. They were made out of the same fucking materials most current sets are made out of. It was a fucking product of the 1960's and one of the most expensive shows at the time it aired. The people who produced Star Trek were fucking trail-blazers. You get your glitzy, over-priced extravaganza because those people worked hard and made sci-fi accessible for the mainstream.

I just don't get how the retarded masses can't wrap their collective heads around this simple fucking fact.
 
Also, the 1701 seems to be completed a decade or so later than it should have been and it's larger/more advanced than in the 'real' timeline.

I think any talk of the Enterprise all of the sudden being more advanced as a result of Nero's time traveling is completely fabricated by fans who need an explanation for every little thing. Not everyone will be able to wrap their head around it, but it's a 2009 movie, and they couldn't have the actors walking around in front of cardboard sets.

You know... I get so fucking tired of people saying the sets were cardboard. They were made out of the same fucking materials most current sets are made out of. It was a fucking product of the 1960's and one of the most expensive shows at the time it aired. The people who produced Star Trek were fucking trail-blazers. You get your glitzy, over-priced extravaganza because those people worked hard and made sci-fi accessible for the mainstream.

I just don't get how the retarded masses can't wrap their collective heads around this simple fucking fact.

(...and just to lighten things back up a bit...)



...So ends the Trek lesson for today....

......THE WOMEN!!!..... errr.. I mean, AMEN!....



Younger minds may have fresh idea's...
But most of those ideas were thought of ages ago. .:p
 
My apologies for flying off the handle a bit there. But it really bothers me when someone denigrates the work of others who are no longer around to defend themselves.

As always there are two ways to get your point across.

1.

The sets were designed and built in the 1960's. I don't think modern audiences can relate to them.

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The sets teh sukazz!!! Man the show was made for $1.99 an episode... theys were usin' teh cardboard!!! Teh shipz er hangin on teh strings!!!

I wonder what Roddenberry, Coon, Justman and Jefferies could have done with $150 million for a two-hour movie.
 
My apologies for flying off the handle a bit there. But it really bothers me when someone denigrates the work of others who are no longer around to defend themselves.

As always there are two ways to get your point across.

1.

The sets were designed and built in the 1960's. I don't think modern audiences can relate to them.

2.

The sets teh sukazz!!! Man the show was made for $1.99 an episode... theys were usin' teh cardboard!!! Teh shipz er hangin on teh strings!!!

I wonder what Roddenberry, Coon, Justman and Jefferies could have done with $150 million for a two-hour movie.



Ummm... actually shown US ... GOD? ;)
 
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