Boycotting Thor

[ProtoAvatar]

Prior to Pearl Harbour, USA under Roosevelt repeatedly made known its intention not to fight in the war.

Even after Pearl Harbour, USA only declared war on Japan, intentionally leaving Germany/etc out of its declaration of war.
It was Hitler who declared war on USA - yet another stupid move on his part.

It is quite likely that, without Pearl Harbour, USA wouldn't have joined the war effort against the Axis.

 

[marillion]

Wow... What a bunch of knee-biters... I've never heard of these wackjobs that are trying to claim the "conservative" name.. Just pi$$es me off.. They are so bad that when I tried looking them up on my computer at work, the browser read the site as "descriminatory" and wouldn't let me access it..

Fringe groups like this are to be soundly ignored. Giving them a spotlight only makes them seem stronger than they are.

 

[iguana_tonante]

I think Thor should have been Filipino.

Well, Johnny Rico in Starship Troopers was Filipino in the book, and we all know how much Casper Van Dien looked Filipino in the movie. Also, Earthsea's Sparrow was definitively non-white in the books, but looked like Shawn Ashmore in the tv movie. So apparently changing a character's skin colour is a-ok, as long as it's changed from non-white to white.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You mean like Mrs Claus?

They don't like to tell the children about the Jungle fever at the north Pole.

 

[Myasishchev]

I've told children about it.

Now I have to tell the neighbors about it.

 

[Forbin]

I think Thor should have been Filipino.

Well, Johnny Rico in Starship Troopers was Filipino in the book, and we all know how much Casper Van Dien looked Filipino in the movie. Also, Earthsea's Sparrow was definitively non-white in the books, but looked like Shawn Ashmore in the tv movie. So apparently changing a character's skin colour is a-ok, as long as it's changed from non-white to white.

I don't think those were all right either.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I think Thor should have been Filipino.

While not Filipino, The Rock is certainly built enough to be Thor...

 

[theenglish]

I think Thor should have been Filipino.

Well, Johnny Rico in Starship Troopers was Filipino in the book, and we all know how much Casper Van Dien looked Filipino in the movie. Also, Earthsea's Sparrow was definitively non-white in the books, but looked like Shawn Ashmore in the tv movie. So apparently changing a character's skin colour is a-ok, as long as it's changed from non-white to white.

I don't think those were all right either.

It is a little different in the case of Earthsea when the characters skin color is actually an integral part to the work itself. Ursula Leguin was livid about the television movie's casting.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

1) Yes, I think it makes perfect sense that Norse gods should all be portrayed by Norse-looking actors.

It also makes perfect sense for them not to be.

 

[Trent Roman]

But even in the prime Marvelverse, hasn't it been the case for some time that Fury has longevity as a result of some serum or other?

That works too. Though what are the odds of grandson and grandfather both losing an eye in the course of duty (assuming that you give Fury Sr the eyepatch too)?

According to his Wikipedia page, you're right that he also has some kind of chemical longevity going for him. Wonder if that applies to his Howling Commandos buddies, who are also still hale and active.

The aformentioned article also states that he only started wearing the patch post-WWII (apparently the eye is still there, it's just gradually lost most of its use due to shrapnel), so a patchless Fury would actually be acurate. It's Fury's best known visual marker, but since this Fury will only be around for this movie, unlike Jackson who is signed up for nine (!), I'll give Jackson-Fury the priority.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Captaindemotion]

1) Yes, I think it makes perfect sense that Norse gods should all be portrayed by Norse-looking actors.

It also makes perfect sense for them not to be.

Indeed. I mean, what could seem more fantastic or Godlike to primitive peoples than people who looked so different from them, who looked like nothing or no-one they'd ever seen before?

 

[Forbin]

1) Yes, I think it makes perfect sense that Norse gods should all be portrayed by Norse-looking actors.

It also makes perfect sense for them not to be.

Well, I don't think perfect sense

Perfect sense, IMHO = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look Scandinavian.

Perfect sense, IMHO, does NOT = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look like Asian and African people.

I'd also imagine Mayan gods looking Mayan, African gods looking African, Polynesian gods looking Polynesian, Asian gods looking Asian, etc.

But whatever.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Perfect sense, IMHO, does NOT = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look like Asian and African people.

That would make sense if Scandinavian deities though up by Scandinavian people are the protagonists of this movie. Since it's not the case (they are extradimensional/alien beings mistaken for deities by the Scandinavian people who built their religion around them), you argument falls apart.

 

[Kegg]

Well, I don't think perfect sense

Perfect sense, IMHO = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look Scandinavian.

Perfect sense, IMHO, does NOT = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look like Asian and African people.

Let's continue this logic.

'Perfect sense': Scandinavian deities thought up by Scandinavian peoples who almost certainly did not see any comic book art or modern dress dress like tenth century Norsemen.

Not 'Perfect sense': Scandinavian deities thought up by Scandinavian peoples dress up like the comic book characters.

'Perfect sense': Scandinavian deities thought up by Scandinavian peoples who almost certainly were not familiar with modern English or even early modern English - speak in ancient Nordic tongues.

Not 'Perfect sense': Scandinavian deities thought up by Scandinavian peoples speak a language that in the form they speak it did not exist when the myths were created, that is, English.

And so on.

This argument for fidelity was already lost by the fact this is an adaption of a comic book which notably spat at fidelity in the eye.

 

[Nerys Myk]

1) Yes, I think it makes perfect sense that Norse gods should all be portrayed by Norse-looking actors.

It also makes perfect sense for them not to be.

Well, I don't think perfect sense

Perfect sense, IMHO = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look Scandinavian.

Perfect sense, IMHO, does NOT = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look like Asian and African people.

I'd also imagine Mayan gods looking Mayan, African gods looking African, Polynesian gods looking Polynesian, Asian gods looking Asian, etc.

But whatever.

Trouble is these are Scandinavian deities reimagined through the lense of a trio of 20th Century Jewish-American comics creators. A version that include the Non-Scandinavian/Viking looking Hogun, Fandral and Volstagg.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That and these gods adopt.

Vostagg has a couple mortal born sons he is playing with golden apples till their immortality takes root.

I wonder how they handled being back in the mortal world before Asgard fell?

Those kids were white and American but the could just have easily bee Australians of Chinese decent.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

1) Yes, I think it makes perfect sense that Norse gods should all be portrayed by Norse-looking actors.

It also makes perfect sense for them not to be.

Well, I don't think perfect sense

Perfect sense, IMHO = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look Scandinavian.

Perfect sense, IMHO, does NOT = Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples who probably never saw anyone other than other Scandinavian people look like Asian and African people.

You really don't see the logical flaw there?

We're not talking about "Scandinavian dieties thought up by Scandinavian peoples" here. We're talking about the Marvel version - entities which in that continuity exist and were not "thought up by Scandinavian peoples." The ancient Scandinavians simply happened to encounter them somehow.

Accepting that premise, who these "gods" are and what they look like would not and could not have been determined by the imaginations of the Scandinavians.

What would truly be ridiculous and illogical would be for these entities - however they came to be known to the Scandinavians - to just coincidentally all look Scandinavian.

It's unlikely enough, frankly, that they'd look human at all. But hell, it's a comic book and the thought that went into this aspect of it is about a quarter of an inch deep. I suppose it makes as much sense as the Universe being policed by a bunch of blue Oompa-Lumpas who all look like Ben Gurion.

 

[Mike Farley]

They didn't make Nick Fury black. They made Nick Fury Samuel L Jackson.

Exactly!

Nah, Ultimate Nick Fury was already a black guy in ULTIMATE MARVEL TEAM UP and ULTIMATE X-MEN before Bryan Hitch started photo referencing Sam Jackson in THE ULTIMATES.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

If the Asgardians are aliens, why do they look human at all? Why not look like they do in Stargate?

Maybe they do, and they're shapeshifters. Most of the aliens decided to just play along with what the locals expected. Heimdall decided to be a joker. Why should aliens care what the locals want?

 

[Nerys Myk]

If the Asgardians are aliens, why do they look human at all? Why not look like they do in Stargate?

Maybe they do, and they're shapeshifters. Most of the aliens decided to just play along with what the locals expected. Heimdall decided to be a joker. Why should aliens care what the locals want?

You've never seen "Who Mourns for Adonais"?