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Certainly some of the latter.

Marvel's suffering too. Lots of talk on tracking sites about F4 looking soft there. China in particular may be over superheroes.

[Fantastic Four] will do solid domestically provided the reviews and public wom is good. Overseas, oh boy. In many asian and european markets the pre-sales are lower or on par with thunderbolts and worse than cap4. In some key markets it has major competition from local movies or surprise massive openers which will hurt its prospects severely. Anyways, all the best to fans and marvel. I am definitely watching it next weekend and do my part.
I worry about overseas as well but we should not jump the gun just yet. Asia as you said looks abysmal. Europe is so so. Depends on the market, and I think LATM could be strong for this one. We still have a week left. Overseas markets are slowing down in terms of presales for a while now at least that is what I see. Some decent hits had abysmally low presales a week earlier, so we need to wait a bit longer. However, it is not great outside of the US as of now, which is sadly undeniable.

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Of course, that's a week out. Things take sudden turns.
 
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This has just been an extraordinary hold throughout the week - the movie has legs.

Box office stands now at roughly $179 million domestic.

The weekend should be interesting - no major competition until next weekend, when F4 is destined to take first place.
 
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This has just been an extraordinary hold throughout the week - the movie has legs.

Box office stands now at roughly $179 million domestic.

The weekend should be interesting - no major competition until next weekend, when F4 is destined to take first place.
It is such an interesting film from BO point of view - Amazing domestic and tragic international.
 
It's almost as if Germans identify with the idea of an ubermensch...
You went there....
My seething about Superman 2025 aside, I am starting to wonder why the international box office has barely moved a needle.
Did Marvel get a stronghold on intl. audiences that tight?
Or did the last few DC entries demolish any goodwill?
Superhero fatigue is a real thing, no matter how certain individuals wave hands in magical fashion over their heads to convince themselves it is not. Further, the reaction to DC films are found in two categories: I agree that WB--with their wholesale destruction of the DCEU with the unnecessary direction changing seen in films including Shazam: Fury of the Gods, Blue Beetle, Wonder Woman: 1984, The Flash Birds of Prey, etc., they burned down their home while standing inside of it, and as a result, it is likely audiences are not too interested in the DC brand where movies are concerned. Outside of the DCEU, they had a historic success with Joker and a hit with The Batman, which suggests that audiences were open to DC concepts unrelated to the disasters which defined the tailend of DCEU productions.

There is no chance of $750 million - none.
If you mean Superman, that seems quite apparent. The film is not the massive universe-reboot Zaslav, et al. desired, and its doubtful the film will reach the earnings of a 12-year old movie featuring the same character. With an estimated production budget of $225 million and a $200 million dollar marketing budget (according to The Hollywood Reporter) and current global earnings of $261,825,556 (Box Office Mojo - 7/18/25), the film has quite some distance to travel before it reaches its goal. At that point (factoring in weekly drop-offs for most films, coming competition from The Fantastic Four: First Steps, etc.), it would need a miracle period of rediscovery to reach $750 million.
 
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