BOT Canon in Relation to Star Trek: Enterprise

[topcat]

spatial torpedo in enterprise was basically the original solid state weapon of enterprise.
the big blocky white missile with a nuclear war head.
In the startrek.com website section for enterprise, they showed a photo of an armoury with two of them on the benches ready to be loaded. It was assumed the big metal tubes along the railing were either the tritium fuses, or sensor assemblies.
The fehrengi episode with them being stolen was classic, and is fun.

 

[Maurice]

ST09 was in another time.

"Furthermore, you have failed to divine the purpose of the test."

Kor

One sense of the verb form of "divine" means to "discover by intuition or guesswork", so the use of "divine" there is spot-on.

 

[Kor]

One sense of the verb form of "divine" means to "discover by intuition or guesswork", so the use of "divine" there is spot-on.

Yes, in literary usage on paper.

I've just never heard it used that way in actual speech in the real, everyday world, even in very educated circles. The last time I ever heard anybody use "divine" as a verb was probably in a college course on mythology many many years ago when the instructor briefly spoke about divination.

And that's my point... In any time or universe, Spock has a unique, and I dare say odd, way of speaking. None of the human characters sound like a talking book the way he does.

Kor

 

[Timo]

As regards Spock's reference to two categories of atomic weapons, "by our standards primitive" and by implication modern, let's not forget that the bodyguards of Elaan in "Elaan of Troyius" carried "nuclear" sidearms!

Or then the dialogue when the bodyguards beam aboard could be interpreted a bit differently...

Kirk (basically shaking his head in disbelief): "Body armour, nuclear weapons."
Spock: "Not without precedent, Captain. Remember that-"

The writer intent probably was to refer to a discrepancy between the primitive body armor worn by the guard and the nuclear weapons known to exist down on Elas. But it's more fun to think that the latter were part of the guard gear, too!

In any case, today the expression "atomic weapon" is not applicable to any category of weapon. It was superseded by "nuclear weapon", while the fashionable expression today is "kinetic weapon", a rather grossly misleading term for a weapon that kills "hard" with explosive release of energy as opposed to an EMP gun. This leaves "atomic weapon" free for future use (perhaps in connection with chemical weapons that rely on extremely fine, literally atomic consistency to the chemical being released), while demonstrating that older designations can and will be wantonly stolen for completely different use.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Christopher]

I've just never heard it used that way in actual speech in the real, everyday world, even in very educated circles. The last time I ever heard anybody use "divine" as a verb was probably in a college course on mythology many many years ago when the instructor briefly spoke about divination.

And that just speaks to your own personal experience. It's never wise to mistake that for a universal principle. We all have limits on our experience -- and on our vocabulary. And fiction can always introduce us to new words and ideas, if we're open to them.

And that's my point... In any time or universe, Spock has a unique, and I dare say odd, way of speaking. None of the human characters sound like a talking book the way he does.

This is news? You could say the same about countless intellectual characters in fiction, from Sherlock Holmes to the Professor on Gilligan's Island.

 

[Kor]

Nevermind.

Kor

 

[Maurice]

I have friend who have used "divine" in that sense as have I. You're just hanging around the wrong nerds.

 

[Binary]

I read somewhere that the inconsistencies between TOS and Enterprise was one of the main reasons people stopped watching. In my opinion, that's ludicrous. Almost every time there is a sequel, prequel or some splinter show, there are going to be inadequacies. Doesn't matter if it's Star Trek, Alien, Star Wars or The Honeymooners! One just has to accept that. Look at the character of Jadzia Dax in DS9. Does anyone remember what the Trill host's race ACTUALLY looked like? Check out TNG episode; The Host. Then watch Half a Life! Major screw up and the creators of DS9 didn't care one smidgen if they insulted our intelligence.

For me, the personalities of the Enterprise cast were so much fresher and more vibrant than anyone on Voyager or DS9, that flaws like that didn't matter. I was really PO'd when they cancelled it. Besides when, the phase cannons slide out and swivel into position, it looks cooler!

 

[Timo]

Does anyone remember what the Trill host's race ACTUALLY looked like?

Umm, the original episode did not postulate a "Trill host race". The Trills were just parasites living inside humanoids. And apparently just about any humanoid (or, as they put it, "a biological being") would do, including William Riker.

The concept of a dedicated host species arose in DS9 only. And even there, it was merely a backstage assumption, and one that we can ignore if we wish. The Trills (that is, the slugs) can live wherever they wish - it's just that most of them prefer Kriosians (see "The Perfect Mate" and "Precious Cargo") for their good looks.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Kor]

I read somewhere that the inconsistencies between TOS and Enterprise was one of the main reasons people stopped watching. In my opinion, that's ludicrous.

Only the smallest minority of obsessed, joyless nitpickers would stop watching for that specific reason. I think viewership went down because TV had been over-saturated with Trek for so many years, and casual viewers didn't care any more.

I am first and foremost a TOS fan. But I kept watching ENT faithfully even though nearly every episode bored me to tears. The minutiae of continuity just isn't important in the big picture. The show finally got exciting and worthwhile in the fourth season, and then it was canceled!

Kor

 

[eyeresist]

This leaves "atomic weapon" free for future use (perhaps in connection with chemical weapons that rely on extremely fine, literally atomic consistency to the chemical being released), while demonstrating that older designations can and will be wantonly stolen for completely different use.

Agreed. Although the original writers obviously meant "atomic" in the sense of atom bomb, the term might be applied to any weapon that in some way uses atomic or sub-atomic particles or related phenomena.

 

[Christopher]

Agreed. Although the original writers obviously meant "atomic" in the sense of atom bomb, the term might be applied to any weapon that in some way uses atomic or sub-atomic particles or related phenomena.

Well, that's... everything. It's all made of atoms.

 

[eyeresist]

Speak for yourself.



No, you know what I mean: it could be a charged particle weapon, or some way to release atomic energy in a channelled way, or a "disruptor" that disrupts sub-atomic bonds. There are all sorts of things you could invent to fit those words.

 

[Timo]

...As indeed you have to do with "photon" torpedoes already.

Timo Saloniemi