Borg Vs Dominion
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They're a big enough target!
Which is exactly why Voyager episodes like 'Dark Frontier', where Team Janeway, Holodoc & Paris succeeds in re-abducting 7 from the heart of the Borg power structure with nothing more than a delta flyer, and not be chased all over the delta quadrant afterwards, are beyond ridiculous. Unless 7 of 9 wasn't really that important to the Borg (Queen) after all.
Don't get me wrong, it's a fun episode to watch. But not in terms of plausibility.
+1 for the Borg. I think once the nanoprobes were introduced to the Founder homeworld it would be over for the Dominion. Unless the Founders had a good biological defense like 8472, their cells would be vulnerable. I wonder if they would have more difficulty assimilating the Breen at first since they have no blood. Even if they did, Borg adaptations would damage or destroy the refrigeration suit eventually.
I think what we are looking at here is a war of attrition. When it came to the Borg I think The Founders would change up their tactics because they can't pit the Borg against others and use subterfuge like with the Alpha and Beta Quads. So I don't know who would win, but it would be a long and drawn out war.
I think that in Dark Frontier, as in other Voyager episodes, two things are going on. First, the hesitation over serialization makes it difficult either to delve deeply into the nature of the Borg threat or to explore complex strategies to evade them. Subsequently, episodes explored the danger posed to the crew in a given episode, and made the resolution trite.
Second, the Borg became an enemy to be outwitted since Best of Both Worlds II. Voyager didn't really "nerf" the Borg. The "sleep command" solution in BOBWII made the Borg the Wiley Coyote of the Trek Universe. No matter how convoluted the Borg's plans were, our heroes would not defeat them head on: they would find a clever way to bring them to an end without protracted fighting.
The Dominion end up being the more imposing enemy because not only do clever solutions not work, the Dominion prove that they were wiling to scorch Earth rather than surrender.
It kind of depends, doesn't it? The Borg, as initially encountered, were as close to invulnerable as could be imagined. Only Q's intervention prevented them from completely annihilating the Enterprise. Only in later seasons, when the writers wanted to portray the creativity and resourcefulness of the Enterprise and Voyager crews were they imbued with weaknesses. (Individualism as a "virus," a centralized "Queen" with a weakness for companionship, and a species from another dimension.) Heck, even the Federation would have been overcome had Picard not intercepted the Borg Queen's cube and guided the fleet to destroy it.
The Jem'Hadar didn't have any inherent traits that made them superior to other foes, at least as far as the Borg were concerned. Sure, they were tough and had enormous resources at their disposal, inclugin accelerated development. But all of those advantages were negated by the Borg's superior technology and ability to assimilate and conquer. The Founders themselves were only strong THROUGH the use of mass armies of highly-trained Jem'Hadar. For the Jem'Hadar to add new forces, they had to manufacture them. All the Borg would have to do is wander off to a planet with, say, a billion inhabitants and mass-assimilate them. Replenishment of resources heavily favored the Borg.
The Breen are nothing special. They had unusual technology, yes, but if the Federation could adapt to it the Borg could adapt even faster. They'd have been mass-assimilated as easily as any other.
The Jem'Hadar didn't have any inherent traits that made them superior to other foes, at least as far as the Borg were concerned. Sure, they were tough and had enormous resources at their disposal, inclugin accelerated development. But all of those advantages were negated by the Borg's superior technology and ability to assimilate and conquer. The Founders themselves were only strong THROUGH the use of mass armies of highly-trained Jem'Hadar. For the Jem'Hadar to add new forces, they had to manufacture them. All the Borg would have to do is wander off to a planet with, say, a billion inhabitants and mass-assimilate them. Replenishment of resources heavily favored the Borg.
The Breen are nothing special. They had unusual technology, yes, but if the Federation could adapt to it the Borg could adapt even faster. They'd have been mass-assimilated as easily as any other.
Not sure about that. Remember, the Founders partly relied on their ability to hide their home planet from their enemies. The Borg need only to assimilate a Jem'Hadar soldier with the location of The Founders' home planet in his mind and a fleet of Borg Cubes would be circling the planet in seconds. (That TransWarp technology's a kicker!)
The Borg are Star Trek's version of Superman: They have every strength you can possibly imagine and only when the writers figure out that they're becoming boring does a weakness emerge.
The Borg have near unlimited conventional resources-manpower and raw materials at their disposal, their utilitarianism ensures nothing is wasted and I think they would prevail.
By the way I didn't mind Species 8472 it's a big universe and don't mind worse things than the Borg in it.
By the way I didn't mind Species 8472 it's a big universe and don't mind worse things than the Borg in it.
I think Borg beats founders as well, the only line of defense that the Founders have against the Borg is the Jem Hadar. Founder's biggest weapon is manipulation and deception, I don't think they could convince a Borg Drone that they're a Borg Drone as well since they wouldn't be able to talk to them through the collective. Borg would just proceed to shoot them like Odo and the Klingons did.
The Founders didn't reveal the location of their home planet. If the Founders had any Jem Hadar guarding them, that was probably the last posting of their lives and they'd never be moved where they'd be likely to be captured.
Borg. No question about it
I always wondered if the Borg transwarp hub had any exit points into the Gamma Quadrant.
The Jem'Hadar would simply ram into Borg ships once the Borg adapted to their weapons. However, as large as Borg cubes are, even at the rate the Dominion makes ships and soldiers, they would run out of ships before the Borg. The Borg have every possible advantage... honestly, the Dominion might be the one empire that stood the best chance against them. They would last the longest before being destroyed. Borg would win.
The Jem'Hadar would simply ram into Borg ships once the Borg adapted to their weapons. However, as large as Borg cubes are, even at the rate the Dominion makes ships and soldiers, they would run out of ships before the Borg. The Borg have every possible advantage... honestly, the Dominion might be the one empire that stood the best chance against them. They would last the longest before being destroyed. Borg would win.
The comic "Hive" depicts the future of a Borg-owned galaxy.
I think what we see of the Dominion in DS9 in terms of military strength overall isn't truly representable of their capabilities, There are a lot of major setbacks and unforseen events (prophets take out thousands of their ships in one go) all the combat takes place in the AQ, They have at most a year or two too bulk up their military infrastructure in Cardassian Territories, think of the amount of shipyards and military bases and cloning facilities they must have in the GQ. I think we have to assume they at least have a presence across the entire expanse of the GQ, I think the combined arms of the Jem' Hadar and the Vorta along with Changling leadership would make a Borg attack somewhat a pyrrhic victory at least.
The Dominion has internal pressures-loyalty of Jem'hadar and client states, founders lives.
The Borg have no internal constraints and way more resources necessary for a slug match.
Any conflict between them would be very brutal and probably with a high death toll-hundreds of billions.
But I think the Borg would prevail.
The Borg have no internal constraints and way more resources necessary for a slug match.
Any conflict between them would be very brutal and probably with a high death toll-hundreds of billions.
But I think the Borg would prevail.
The Jem'Hadar were by far the most determined and unyielding soldiers in the franchise - except for the Borg, who are just physically incapable of being lenient without the Queen's direction. The Jem'Hadar's great weakness was always the Vorta. The Vorta controlled the strategy and the Vorta were mostly stupid, or were trying to get the Jem'Hadar killed as in Rocks and Shoals.
The Borg don't send fleets and the Founders aren't quite so easy to destroy. Almost certainly some would find a way to survive unless the Borg phaser sweep the entire planet. Even then, a Founder is the only thing in the galaxy that could possibly successfully infiltrate and sabotage a Cube. And the Jem'Hadar will not cut and run even if all the founders do die. The Dominion will fight to the last man, unless some Vorta manages to convince them that the Founders ordered them to retreat.
Overall, the Borg obviously have the power to destroy all the major powers in the AQ - potentially all at the same time. But they don't do that. They send small groups. The dominion has the manpower and technology necessary to beat one or two cubes, just like the Federation can, even if they have to take bigger losses in the process. The Breen probably don't, but we don't really know much of anything about them.
On a one-to-one basis, a vorta or breen would probably stand no chance against a drone. A Jem'Hadar could take out quite a few with ease, but would eventually be overwhelmed.
A founder could be the hardest thing for the Borg to adapt to. The shapeshifting could allow them to kill drones in hundreds of unexpected ways and still escape when they're being overwhelmed. If the Borg eventually succeed in assimilating them or finding a perfect way to scan for them, they'd be slowly taken out, but they'd still put up a better fight than anyone else.
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