I've only been watching DSN for 2 seasons so hang on with my question. Have the Borg ever assimilated the changeling species and what happens if they try?
Borg changeling
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It's never mentioned in DS9 so I'd say that they never have. I'm not sure that it would even be possible, the Changelings aren't like conventional humanoid/biological species. So Borg technology may not work. Plus the Jem'Hadar would give the Borg a bit of a kicking if they ever invaded Dominion territory.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Borg nano probes take control of a body by infecting the cells of a humanoid body especially blood cells but Changeling 'physiology' is completely different therefore the probes wouldnt know what to even do plus changelings could simply just force the probes out of their liquid form or change into a pure rock and crush the nano probes.
^Yeah, I was about to point out that the nanoprobes assimilate the blood cells first. Changelings don't have any blood, so it would probably be impossible. I guess resistance isn't futile.
So these people are incapable of being assimilated - Interesting. And so were the species from liquid space in the Delta Quadrant (in Voyager) not able to become Borgfied.
Changeling physiology would prevent assimilation.
I suppose in theory, they could also genetically engineer the Vorta and Jem Hadar to resist the Borg.
Nah, best thing for the Borg would be to avoid the Dominion altogether, lest they wish to be smoked.
The Borg should stick to what they do best, IE: getting defeated by Starfleet captains.
I suppose in theory, they could also genetically engineer the Vorta and Jem Hadar to resist the Borg.
Nah, best thing for the Borg would be to avoid the Dominion altogether, lest they wish to be smoked.
The Borg should stick to what they do best, IE: getting defeated by Starfleet captains.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Species 8472 from 'Fluidic' space was unable to be assimilated because their cellular structure was extremely tightly packed (dense) making them resistant to nano probes.
Yeah, one theory on that has been that since most life in the galaxy was seeded by the Progenitors, they all have some common dna in them and due to this the Borg are able to assimilate most species easily without having to have lots of unique nanoprobes.
But since the Fluidics came from another dimension entirely, their DNA has nothing inc ommon to any life in our Galaxy and the Borg nanoprobes aren't able to assimilate it because thy're too used to similar-DNA beings.
But since the Fluidics came from another dimension entirely, their DNA has nothing inc ommon to any life in our Galaxy and the Borg nanoprobes aren't able to assimilate it because thy're too used to similar-DNA beings.
You are forgetting something.
The Nanoprobes affect the DNA (which is being rewritten the moment the nanoprobes infect a target).
So essentially speaking, since the addiction for K-white was programmed into the Jem'Hadar DNA, it can be overwritten with Borg nanoprobes rather easily.
Changelings DO have blood.
It's not your conventional blood like other humanoid races, but they still have a DNA (which can be rewritten, and the nanoprobes adapt themselves eventually to work in specific physiology).
The Founders were vulnerable to a virus Section 31 created.
Nanoprobes act like a virus as well and they use the victims DNA to further the assimilation process.
So I very much doubt the Changelings would be immune to assimilation given the fact it's instantaneous for most species the Borg encountered.
They might work slower in a Changeling, but the Borg would eventually adapt.
Species 8472 came from another dimension and their cellular structure destroyed anything that penetrated the cell membrane as was explained on screen.
Their immune response is extremely high and they are the peak of ultimate biological evolution as stated by the Borg themselves.
So their cell membrane can be penetrated, and the Doctor found a way to maintain the nanoprobes for a temporary amount of time before they are destroyed by 8472 immune system which allowed for a window of opportunity to treat infected patients using several attempts and ultimately lead to the implementation of a biological weapon using a similar procedure.
Assimilation of 8472 would remain to be impossible for some time to come, but the Borg might eventually find a way to do it.
But since 8472 got their hands on that technology later on, they probably managed to effectively neutralize that threat.
The changelings are after all native to the Milky Way galaxy and the universe in which humanoid races reside.
The 8472 are not.
The Nanoprobes affect the DNA (which is being rewritten the moment the nanoprobes infect a target).
So essentially speaking, since the addiction for K-white was programmed into the Jem'Hadar DNA, it can be overwritten with Borg nanoprobes rather easily.
Changelings DO have blood.
It's not your conventional blood like other humanoid races, but they still have a DNA (which can be rewritten, and the nanoprobes adapt themselves eventually to work in specific physiology).
The Founders were vulnerable to a virus Section 31 created.
Nanoprobes act like a virus as well and they use the victims DNA to further the assimilation process.
So I very much doubt the Changelings would be immune to assimilation given the fact it's instantaneous for most species the Borg encountered.
They might work slower in a Changeling, but the Borg would eventually adapt.
Species 8472 came from another dimension and their cellular structure destroyed anything that penetrated the cell membrane as was explained on screen.
Their immune response is extremely high and they are the peak of ultimate biological evolution as stated by the Borg themselves.
So their cell membrane can be penetrated, and the Doctor found a way to maintain the nanoprobes for a temporary amount of time before they are destroyed by 8472 immune system which allowed for a window of opportunity to treat infected patients using several attempts and ultimately lead to the implementation of a biological weapon using a similar procedure.
Assimilation of 8472 would remain to be impossible for some time to come, but the Borg might eventually find a way to do it.
But since 8472 got their hands on that technology later on, they probably managed to effectively neutralize that threat.
The changelings are after all native to the Milky Way galaxy and the universe in which humanoid races reside.
The 8472 are not.
Sort of an Alien/Predator clash? That would be cool!
What would happen though if the Borg assimulated a Changeling in humanoid form?
It has been repeatedly stated that all scans of these changeling/humanoids read as the humanoid copy. And they do have blood (albeit it converts back to a liquid, but only after it leaves the humanoid).
So a changeling could be assimulated. And its not liquid per se, but liquid form. It is my understanding that they not only have changling DNA, but cells also. Presumable these cells perform metabolic functions. Then could not borg technology take over these performances?
It has been repeatedly stated that all scans of these changeling/humanoids read as the humanoid copy. And they do have blood (albeit it converts back to a liquid, but only after it leaves the humanoid).
So a changeling could be assimulated. And its not liquid per se, but liquid form. It is my understanding that they not only have changling DNA, but cells also. Presumable these cells perform metabolic functions. Then could not borg technology take over these performances?
In the canon sense, we know Odo has cells and DNA at least when in his humanoid form. For example "The Alternate" is pretty explicit about this. Also, the same episode shows that Odo leaves cellular structure behind when rampaging around the station in his monster form. And in "A Man Alone", traces of Odo's DNA are found at the crime scene, supposedly long after they have detached from Odo's humanoid body - so they should be in their natural state, no longer capable of imitating anything.
So cells might be involved in all his forms of existence, and at least DNA persists even outside the human imitation. We don't quite know what Borg nanoprobes require to operate on, cells or DNA, but we can suspect they would be able to wreak havoc with Odo's systems to some degree at least.
Perhaps a Changeling more skilled than Odo could go all Borg on the Borg, and start adjusting its cells to defeat the nanoprobe invasion. But even the best of Changelings seemed vulnerable to the Starfleet-engineered disease in DS9, so I wouldn't bet much on their cellular-adaptive skills.
Timo Saloniemi
So cells might be involved in all his forms of existence, and at least DNA persists even outside the human imitation. We don't quite know what Borg nanoprobes require to operate on, cells or DNA, but we can suspect they would be able to wreak havoc with Odo's systems to some degree at least.
Perhaps a Changeling more skilled than Odo could go all Borg on the Borg, and start adjusting its cells to defeat the nanoprobe invasion. But even the best of Changelings seemed vulnerable to the Starfleet-engineered disease in DS9, so I wouldn't bet much on their cellular-adaptive skills.
Timo Saloniemi
