He fled and had no idea what had become of the 72 torpedoes. He interferes in the fight between Kirk's people and the Klingons, presumably, because of what Kirk said about advanced torpedoes in the "surrender" message he transmitted earlier. And Khan surrenders when Kirk answers the question "how many torpedoes?"
Bob Orci's Comment: The Film Stood on its Own Without...[Spoilers]
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Exactly.
Up to this point he still thought them all dead, otherwise he wouldn't have acted as he did when he openly attacked Admiral Marcus' meeting.
Maybe it's less about bringing a crowd in and more about bringing in repeat viewers?
Welp, I haven't seen the movie yet, but is there a scene where Kirk yells, "JOOOHHHHHNNNNN!!!"?
I still wish it was Garth of Izar.
But hey, it was a great movie
But hey, it was a great movie
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I WILL FIGHT YOU
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If you want Kirk, I will agree as long as I get either Spock or McCoy. It doesn't matter which one.
I should get two, because Gaila is dead.
But you know what, I'll just take Spock and you can have Kirk and McCoy both
(send postcards)
But you know what, I'll just take Spock and you can have Kirk and McCoy both
(send postcards)
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I should get two, because Gaila is dead.
But you know what, I'll just take Spock and you can have Kirk and McCoy both
(send postcards)
Honey, there won't be time to send postcards.
You know there's yoga you can do to improve that J.
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Hmm. I'll have to look into that.
I think the movie tried too hard to have its cake and eat it too.
It's trying to reinvent the franchise with its own vision, but it's also leaning on fan memory of the old movies to establish its themes.
Take Khan. Pretend the original series didn't exist, this is just a new movie in a new franchise. So you have no idea how dangerous Khan was from the original series. Based only on this movie, how scared are you of Khan? He seems like a pretty bad guy, and an unfeeling sociopath. But on his own, separated from his resources do you really feel like he's the greatest threat the galaxy has ever known?
The movie did not work very hard to establish Khan as a threat, it leaned on the fans' memory of Wrath of Khan, and the fans' memory of the scenes it directly reproduced from Wrath Of Khan. Which is something you don't get to do if you're completely changing the series.
It's trying to reinvent the franchise with its own vision, but it's also leaning on fan memory of the old movies to establish its themes.
Take Khan. Pretend the original series didn't exist, this is just a new movie in a new franchise. So you have no idea how dangerous Khan was from the original series. Based only on this movie, how scared are you of Khan? He seems like a pretty bad guy, and an unfeeling sociopath. But on his own, separated from his resources do you really feel like he's the greatest threat the galaxy has ever known?
The movie did not work very hard to establish Khan as a threat, it leaned on the fans' memory of Wrath of Khan, and the fans' memory of the scenes it directly reproduced from Wrath Of Khan. Which is something you don't get to do if you're completely changing the series.
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If he's a man with apparent superhuman skills, and the charisma to match, as he's shown to be? Absolutely.
To be honest, Montalban's Khan never struck me as highly intelligent, or particularly superhuman. I feel that Cumberbatch's Khan exceeds Montalban in almost every way, and is superior.
KHAN SMASH!!!!! would not have saved his people. He did plan to get his people back. So what if it took a year before his plan was ready to execute? He's superior, not omnipotent.
He had numchucks. Also, minions.
He blew up a Starfleet Archive (which turned out to actually be a Section 31 operation base), he attacked and killed Starfleet Admirals, Captains and other officers including killing Pike. And got away to Kronos. I think that was a good threat
When that attempt to take over the Enterprise in Space Seed was finally thwarted, he submitted to being exiled to Ceti Alpha V rather than try again from a less advantageous position and risk the lives of his (now incapacitated by knockout gas) people. He no longer had the element of surprise on his side, numbers, or an insider he could manipulate fully (McGivers had saved Kirk), so he knew the game was lost. That's the same position he was in at the start of Into Darkness. His people were incapacitated and in potential danger, he was alone under Marcus' watchful eye, and he was a known threat. He needed to gain an advantage again, manipulate insiders to do his bidding, and get his people to safety before he could strike.
They're supermen, not Superman. They're not invulnerable. Powerful though he is, Khan can't take on all of Starfleet alone and with his people held hostage. He needs "allies" he can manipulate to gain an advantage, like the desperate father in the beginning and Kirk later on.