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Blade Runner 2

I watched a bit of Total Recall 2070 when it was new, but I wasn't invested enough to stick with it. I've occasionally been vaguely curious about catching up, but I haven't had the opportunity.
 
Cost me C$19.99 back in 2011. Definitely wouldn't recommend paying $100 for it, at least not until you've seen it and know what you're getting. And don't drop $20 for Machine Dreams, the two-hour premiere that's available separately, because that's the weakest moment of the whole series. Try a few episodes on youtube.
 
Tosk said:
I remember the scene where Leon very quickly wipes the floor with Deckard. I don't know if I'd count five hits as immense amounts of punishment. Deckard puts up no effective resistance at all, and only lives through it due to someone else helping. He's also taken down very easily by Zhora, who is also only moments away from killing Deckard.
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One could say that points to Deckard being a more peaceable model--and was given longer life. This may also be a reason Roy saves him. He knew that Deckard may actually be the last replicant..ever.

I think Tyrell lied. I think he could have built longer life into them--he just didn't want the combat models to live long.

I wanted a prequel, where we see younger actors play the Replicants--and showing computer morphs as to what their mature states would be--make it something like the movie "Bless the Beasts and Children" where the almost child like waifs are deadly...and yet have an innocence about them--to show the point of view of these different "sun-waifs"

Tannhauser Gate would be the final film of a trilogy
 
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Beagleman said:
I always wanted to know more about that, but actually the intrigue probably lies with knowing nothing about what it is.
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Well, there's this:

http://bladerunner.wikia.com/wiki/Tannhauser_Gate
In the 1998 film Soldier, the soldier character Sgt. Todd (played by Kurt Russell) was a veteran of the Battle at the Tannhauser gate. This fact is based on the text displayed momentarilly on a computer screen near the beginning of the film. The screen displays a list of battles that the character has fought in, and the awards that he has earned in these battles. Tannhauser Gate is also tattooed on Todd's arm, along with the other battles that he was a veteran of. Later on in the film, when Sandra notices the names tattooed on his arm and mentions it to Mace, it is explained by Mace that "Tannhauser Gate was a battle."

The original script was to have the film actually depict the battle. However, this idea was eventually cut for budgetary concerns. The original script even gave a detailed description of the gate. It described it as "a huge wall of metal; an impregnable fortress bristling with futuristic weapons." Some of this scene was completed, and can be briefly viewed in the film's theatrical trailer.
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I always assumed it was referring to something like a stargate, in the sense of an FTL jump portal.
 
publiusr said:
One could say that points to Deckard being a more peaceable model--and was given longer life.
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Or that he's human. ;)

publiusr said:
I think Tyrell lied. I think he could have built longer life into them--he just didn't want the combat models to live long.
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The four-year lifespan was imposed due to Reps developing their own emotional responses after that amount of time. Tyrell didn't say that they couldn't make Reps that lived longer, he said that he couldn't extend the life of one that was already made. (Also, Roy is the only one specified as a combat model. Pris at the very least is definitely not one.)

publiusr said:
I wanted a prequel, where we see younger actors play the Replicants--and showing computer morphs as to what their mature states would be
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I'm not sure I get you. Like, have the Reps grow from children to the adults we see in Blade Runner? How would that work? They only get four years as functioning units, so if there's any human-like maturation going on surely that would happen in a suspension?
 
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Tosk said:
The four-year lifespan was imposed due to Reps developing their own emotional responses after that amount of time. Tyrell didn't say that they couldn't make Reps that lived longer, he said that he couldn't extend the life of one that was already made.
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Yeah, Bryant explains to Deckard that the four-year lifespan is a new thing specifically for the Nexus 6 models. I don't think we get any indication of how long other models live.

I'm not sure I get you. Like, have the Reps grow from children to the adults we see in Blade Runner? How would that work? They only get four years as functioning units, so of there's any human-like maturation going on surely that would happen in a suspension?
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Doesn't seem likely at all that replicants would experience any kind of childhood. Not only because of the limited lifespans, but because it would create a risk of engendering empathy for replicants in any humans caring for baby replicants.
 
I think the scene with James Hong as the guy who made eyes made it pretty clear that replicants are assembled rather than grown.
 
It's evident they're manufactured fully adult from the pre-incept photographs Deckard is shown at the police station at the beginning of the film.
 
Open seeing the dream unicorn, I was not convinced Deckard was a replicant.

Maybe the joke is everyone is a replicant.
 
Christopher said:
Well, there's this:
http://bladerunner.wikia.com/wiki/Tannhauser_Gate
I always assumed it was referring to something like a stargate, in the sense of an FTL jump portal.
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Me too.

There is a concept called a cubic wormhole

Matt Visser of Washington University in St. Louis conceived an arrangement in which the spacetime region of a wormhole mouth is flat (and thus force-free) but framed by struts of exotic matter that contain a region of very sharp curvature. Visser envisages a cubic design, with flat-space wormhole connections on the square sides and cosmic strings as the edges. Each cube-face may connect to the face of another wormhole-mouth cube, or the six cube faces may connect to six different cube faces in six separated locations.

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/W/wormhole.html
http://www.aleph.se/Nada/bilder/wormhole.jpg
https://forum.cosmoquest.org/archive/index.php/t-140953.html


There is an illustration of something similar by John Sharp of Thurston's hyperbolic paper in The Penguin Dictionary of Curious and Interesting Geometry by David Wells.

This almost looks like a cubic wormhole that was damaged--with palnes that seemed to billow like sails.

That was always my image of Tannhauser Gate. A huge alien construct light-years wide--older than the Earth.

The faces of the cube merged. You pass through one--you go who knows where.
 
I had hoped we'd see EJO but didn't really expect him to actual be in it, so I'm happy to hear he is.
 
I finally watched The Final Cut of the original, and now I can see why it's considered such a classic. It really is an awesome movie. It don't know if it was the different edit or just my being more patient with slower movies, but this time I loved it.
The cinematagraphy and producton design are incredible.
After making it to the end, now I can see why people are wanting Sean Young to come back. Even if we don't see her in person, hopefully we'll at least get some dialogue explaining what happened to her since the original movie.
So is the unicorn one of the things that makes people Deckard's a Replicant? It is suspicious that we got the dream, the little unicorn in Sebastian's apartment, and then the end. So if the unicorn is basically a symbol of Deckard's Replicantness, then what does Gaff leaving one for Deckard mean? Does he know, and if he knows then do their bosses? Did they use a Replicant to hunt Replicants?
At the end did Roy's time run out or did he die from his injuries he got fighting Deckard?
 
JD said:
So if the unicorn is basically a symbol of Deckard's Replicantness, then what does Gaff leaving one for Deckard mean? Does he know, and if he knows then do their bosses?
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Gaff has read Rick's file just like Rick read Rachael's file. But he let's him go because… "You've done a man's job, sir!"

JD said:
Did they use a Replicant to hunt Replicants?
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Ironic isn't it? And as Deckard himself says… "I'd quit because I'd had a belly full of killing. But then I'd rather be a killer than a victim."
 
JD said:
At the end did Roy's time run out or did he die from his injuries he got fighting Deckard?
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His time ran out. If anything, the injuries he took actually bought him a few moments. The nail he put through his hand was because he was losing all feeling in that hand as his body began to shut down.

"For a moment, it seemed like he might just be prolonging the fun. But I felt a spasming and stiffening in the hand that lifted me... and finally realized the purpose of Roy Batty's game: A last battle for the ultimate warrior." - From the Marvel adaptation
 
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