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One of my favourite characters.
Spock and Tuvock are both Vulvan*, brilliant, totally devoted to their job and their capitains, while knowing how to play the devil's advocates when it is necessary. Although all these similarities, they were as different (I don't talk about the color of their skin and besides, does it really matter? I don't think so!) as lovable. Yes, I like them a lot! :techman:

I just regret that Tuvok, who is the only person on the ship not to mess around, was largely ignored. Plus, I would have liked to see more scenes between Tuvok/Janeway. Their friendship and partnership were pleasant to follow (funny and often positively touching -> if Janeway was disappointed by Chakotay's attitude on some occasions, she was always able to rely on Tuvok and she knew it) and I know that their performers, Mulgrew and Russ were too (they met on the tv mini-series, Roots, the Gift in 1988, besides). ;)
 
I've heard Tim Russ defended the integrity of his role and the Vulcan-ness of Tuvok, against attempts by the producers to have him be more human, more emotional, more "like everybody else".
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Too bad that Tuvok had no sense of being driven, of caring deeply about what he did, as Spock did. Tuvok just did his job.
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I always thought they should at least have made Tuvok have a dark olive tone, the equivalent of the subtle green makeup used on L Nimoy. The problem with having darker toned people from the tropics on Vulcan is that the Vulcans played by white actors were already supposed to be from a very hot place.
 
Given that Vulcan is more desert-like than Earth a more apt question would be how can there be white Vulcans? Plus their blood is green so how can their skin be pink? Logically, it should be apple green.
I always wished that in ST09 when young Spock is sitting in front of the window the FX team had made the light shining through his ears green.
 
I've heard Tim Russ defended the integrity of his role and the Vulcan-ness of Tuvok, against attempts by the producers to have him be more human, more emotional, more "like everybody else".
And I thank Providence for it. Tuvok was played to perfection. Unfortunately the Vulcan stuff he usually found himself dealing with was anything but. For example, Vorik's subjecting B'Elanna to Pon Farr. Some of the Vulcan disciplines were really stupid-looking, too ... like the blocks he played with, when he was anguished. Or the stick game that he played with Harry. Things like that. Some of the references to Vulcans, like when the EMH referred to Vulcan opera singers he studied. On one hand, we got this wonderful performance from Tim Russ and on the other, every opportunity was taken to make Vulcans seem amusing and over-the-top. Even the reboot Vulcans swim in deep emotion ....
 
There is no logical (pardon the pun :vulcan: ) reason why there would be any less racial diversity on Vulcan than on Earth.

There are other races on Vulcan. The Vulcans that left for Romulus look different than the Vulcans that stayed. But darker skinned Vulcans that look exactly like Africans? Maybe ones that are darker green.
 
There are other races on Vulcan. The Vulcans that left for Romulus look different than the Vulcans that stayed. But darker skinned Vulcans that look exactly like Africans? Maybe ones that are darker green.
We have Vulcans that look exactly like Europeans ( Or maybe West Asians), so why not?
The first Romulan we meet looked exactly like Spock's father. The second or third on looked exactly like Spock's rival for T'Pring. (Or is it the other way around? ;) )
 
By that logic, shouldn't many Human's skin be red?

No, not red as such, but having pinkish skin is normal.

However, Vulcan gums and the corners of their eyes should be green.

Agreed. Unfortunately if the makeup department actually tried to carry this out, it might not look very good. So I guess they just gotta let it go. :shrug:
 
We have Vulcans that look exactly like Europeans ( Or maybe West Asians), so why not?
The first Romulan we meet looked exactly like Spock's father. The second or third on looked exactly like Spock's rival for T'Pring. (Or is it the other way around? ;) )

Vulcan does not have a African continent! Nor does it have an Asian one! The whole idea is Ridiculous! If anything, other Vulcan races Would be greener not browner. The blood is green. The sun is red. It's different, so the skin pigmentation would be! And why would darker skinned Vulcans have flatter noses and wider lips like humans of African descent? The whole idea of a black Vulcan was just to show HUMAN racial diversity on a sci-fi show!
 
Vulcan does not have a African continent! Nor does it have an Asian one! The whole idea is Ridiculous! If anything, other Vulcan races Would be greener not browner. The blood is green. The sun is red. It's different, so the skin pigmentation would be! And why would darker skinned Vulcans have flatter noses and wider lips like humans of African descent? The whole idea of a black Vulcan was just to show HUMAN racial diversity on a sci-fi show!
Vulcan also doesn't have a Europe. So why should they look like Europeans?
IIRC Tim Russ and other actors of African descent playing Vulcans used a greenish makeup just like Nimoy.
Vulcan's sun is 40 Eridani A,main-sequence dwarf of spectral type K1, an Orange star.
 
Vulcan also doesn't have a Europe. So why should they look like Europeans?
IIRC Tim Russ and other actors of African descent playing Vulcans used a greenish makeup just like Nimoy.
Vulcan's sun is 40 Eridani A,main-sequence dwarf of spectral type K1, an Orange star.

Don't pick nits, it doesn't help. The whole idea that Vulcan has the exact same races with the exact same physical characteristics as Earth is a touch ridiculous, even for prime-time sci-fi. And it has nothing to do with Tim Russ or Tuvok, who after 40 years of Star Trek watching, is my favorite Vulcan character by far.

The whole PC thing is ridiculous, just as thinking estrogen producing environmental pollutants will continue to cause problems 300 years from now. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/just-how-harmful-are-bisphenol-a-plastics/
 
Don't pick nits, it doesn't help. The whole idea that Vulcan has the exact same races with the exact same physical characteristics as Earth is a touch ridiculous, even for prime-time sci-fi. And it has nothing to do with Tim Russ or Tuvok, who after 40 years of Star Trek watching, is my favorite Vulcan character by far.

The whole PC thing is ridiculous, just as thinking estrogen producing environmental pollutants will continue to cause problems 300 years from now. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/just-how-harmful-are-bisphenol-a-plastics/
Uh, "Black Vulcans" is a nit.
The idea that Vulcans have anything in common with humans is ridiculous. But since humans are the only option for playing Vulcans they might as well mix it up.
What "PC thing"? Star Trek has been casting humans of all backgrounds as aliens since the beginning. And my watching goes back 50 years. Tuvok isn't even in my top five.

Not humans:
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I'm sure the article you linked is interesting, but I don't see the connection.
 
Which showed (Nog's) racial ignorance, 'they all look the same' mantra is used in the real world...

Not necessarily. Humans identify individuals based on hair color, eye shape, mouth shape, and a variety of other cues. maybe Ferengi identify individuals based on a different set of cues, such as ear lobe shape, skull lobe configuration, or tooth snagliness - cues Vulcans either lack or don't strongly differ in regards to. Nog may be genetically predisposed to think all Vulcans or Hew-mons look similar. An alien might see no difference in humans and Bajorans, or might think black and white humans are different species or sexes. Humans miss age cues in Vulcans, for example. Orcas all look alike to me, but you can apparently separate individuals based on flipper spots - and they are a terrestrial mammal, not even an alien.
 
Uh, "Black Vulcans" is a nit.
The idea that Vulcans have anything in common with humans is ridiculous. But since humans are the only option for playing Vulcans they might as well mix it up.
What "PC thing"? Star Trek has been casting humans of all backgrounds as aliens since the beginning. And my watching goes back 50 years. Tuvok isn't even in my top five.

Not humans:
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Ardana2_zpsot8dia2r.jpg

Adana_zpsc5qz2qzx.jpg

vulcan%20asian_zpsvedc8kcw.jpg

Bajorans_zpseu4ubu0v.jpg



I'm sure the article you linked is interesting, but I don't see the connection.
Tuvok is great. Oh Well....Your loss!
 
Not necessarily. Humans identify individuals based on hair color, eye shape, mouth shape, and a variety of other cues. maybe Ferengi identify individuals based on a different set of cues, such as ear lobe shape, skull lobe configuration, or tooth snagliness - cues Vulcans either lack or don't strongly differ in regards to. Nog may be genetically predisposed to think all Vulcans or Hew-mons look similar. An alien might see no difference in humans and Bajorans, or might think black and white humans are different species or sexes. Humans miss age cues in Vulcans, for example. Orcas all look alike to me, but you can apparently separate individuals based on flipper spots - and they are a terrestrial mammal, not even an alien.

Yes but the liberal propaganda machine says unless you're racially ignorant. so you must be.
 
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