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Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread

How do you rate "Black Panther"?

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theenglish said:
Me too. I am hoping that the new Captain Marvel movie will open an unknown part of the MCU. I don't want the MCU to introduce the FF as "new" heroes. Maybe they existed in the nineties but have been trapped in the Negative Zone for the last twenty? I would love to see the FF and the X-Men retconned in some way that they have been around for many years but have not been publicly known.
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I think it could work for them generally speaking, but there does come a point when the MCU has gone to this well too many times. Cap frozen in the arctic, Bucky and Zola experimented on by Hydra, Star-Lord abducted by aliens, Ant-man's secret cold war career, Captain Marvel off somewhere in space. Is it really worth it to add the negative zone to that list?

But if so, then at least give them something different. Not the 90s. The 60s are a good aesthetic for the F4's jetson-esque brand of sci-fi. Or forget the 'they're from the past' shtick and make them the MCU's first parallel universe heroes.
 
It is not the MCU, those are all plots from the actual comics with the exception of Carol lost in space somewhere.
 
theenglish said:
It is not the MCU, those are all plots from the actual comics with the exception of Carol lost in space somewhere.
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That really doesn't make any difference though. The MCU is a movie franchise which is primarily judged as a movie franchise. Whether it lines up with the comics or not (sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't) is just a bonus discussion for the tiny fraction of the audience that has actually read the comics.
 
Says you. Most of the rest of us would argue that Marvel Studios is one of the most consistent film studios out there.
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To me, the MCU is no more or less "consistent" than any other movie franchise.


Ron Nasty said:
Is there a reason there shouldn't be?
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The movie "Black Panther". It was established in that film that Wakanda was basically an isolationist country. So why was there a mission in Lagos, Nigeria?


Nigeria might not be right next door to Wakanda, but it's close enough for the Panther Throne to maintain watch on the place. Nakia was on a mission to take down a cell of Boko Haram "soldiers" for the Hatut Zeraze...
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Why would King T'Chaka even mention the destruction of this "mission" openly like he did, considering Wakanda's reputation as an isolationist country?
 
grendelsbayne said:
But if so, then at least give them something different. Not the 90s. The 60s are a good aesthetic for the F4's jetson-esque brand of sci-fi. Or forget the 'they're from the past' shtick and make them the MCU's first parallel universe heroes.
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Yeah, we already have Capt. Marvel for the '90s, so if we have to have them come from I would go to an era we haven't seen explored yet in the MCU, like the '60s or '70s.
I know a lot of people seem to want them to be from an earlier era, but I don't see why that would be necessary for them. I think their origin story would work out really well in a post-Infinity War world, maybe everything that's happened with aliens the last few years has inspired a new push on space exploration and that's how they end up in space and get exposed to whatever gives them their powers.
 
I was definitely a fan of having the Fantastic Four be from an earlier era before it was revealed that Captain Marvel was going to be as well. Doing it once with Captain America was one thing, but even I feel doing it twice now with Captain Marvel is a bit of a stretch. Three times? Nah.

Now, I want to see Reed as one of the recipients of Tony Stark's September Foundation grant. I want to see him make a name for himself before the space flight or whatever it is that gives the team their powers by inventing the unstable molecule. In MCU terms, the unstable molecule could be a form of synthetic vibranium perhaps.
 
I would be up for that, and it did happen in the comics for a while, so it's not totally impossible.
 
Shuri at one point calls Ross “colonizer.” Makes me wonder, when European colonial powers controlled basically the entire continent of Africa, how did Wakanda manage to keep the colonizers out without revealing that they had the ability to keep the colonizers out?
 
The Scrooge Doctor said:
...you saw the cloaking device that surrounds the nation, right?
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That only hides it when it’s being viewed from outside. What happened when colonizers tried to enter Wakanda? They didn’t have planes and satellites to be fooled by a camouflage shield; when they wanted to see what was there, they had to send people to go there and look.
 
Captrek said:
That only hides it when it’s being viewed from outside. What happened when colonizers tried to enter Wakanda? They didn’t have planes and satellites to be fooled by a camouflage shield; when they wanted to see what was there, they had to send people to go there and look.
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Wakanda hides behind a fully fledged hologram wall basically projecting an absolute inaccessible area.
You have to fly through a “mountain” wall to get there.
However there is an area around the projection where unsuspicious 3rd world farmland is maintained as a pretense.

That was made quite clear in the movie.
 
That and waterfalls, loose rock, the entire surronds where shown to be dangerous or high (the illusion of it).

The sort of environment that would mean most people find a way around.
 
Captrek said:
Shuri at one point calls Ross “colonizer.” Makes me wonder, when European colonial powers controlled basically the entire continent of Africa, how did Wakanda manage to keep the colonizers out without revealing that they had the ability to keep the colonizers out?
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I thought that was Shuri having some fun with Ross and also putting him out of his comfort zone.

I'm going to guess they kept them out same way Ethiopia did, kill them. If you don't protect your borders your country will end up not yours anymore. The Ethiopians were able to defeat the invaders right up to the 30s when the Italians hit them with poison gas and denied it. I really doubt the Wakandans had holographic shields in the 1880s but they did have a well trained Dora Milaje and other armed forces to repel enemies.
 
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Yeah, if you look at the comics, it's pretty clear that Wakanda did not always have this awesome space age holo-tech. But they did always have a massive technological advantage over everyone around them, and they used it to wipe out any invaders who came too close to them.
 
grendelsbayne said:
Yeah, if you look at the comics, it's pretty clear that Wakanda did not always have this awesome space age holo-tech. But they did always have a massive technological advantage over everyone around them, and they used it to wipe out any invaders who came too close to them.
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The question is, how did they use their massive technological advantage to wipe out invaders without revealing that they had a massive technological advantage?

Along similar lines, how does the population of a whole country keep a secret? Is travel to and communication with the outside world so strictly limited that there are very few people who are in a position to spill the beans? I don’t care how strong your cultural values are, if there are literally millions of people in a position to blab, somebody will.
 
Captrek said:
The question is, how did they use their massive technological advantage to wipe out invaders without revealing that they had a massive technological advantage?

Along similar lines, how does the population of a whole country keep a secret? Is travel to and communication with the outside world so strictly limited that there are very few people who are in a position to spill the beans? I don’t care how strong your cultural values are, if there are literally millions of people in a position to blab, somebody will.
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If you wipe out all the invaders, there's no one left to reveal anything. Also Wakanda is (in the comics at least) supposed to be physically hard to get to, so fairly few people would try to go there, anyway.

And there would not have been millions of people in a relatively small country in the distant past. I'd say it's questionable as to whether there are even millions of people in Wakanda in the present, since it seems to be primarily the one city with some outliers, and the city doesn't look THAT big.

I do think, also, historically speaking Wakanda definitely would have had serious travel limits. If the King doesn't want the world to know they exist, then he doesn't allow just anyone to go anywhere they want. This was probably accepted by the Wakandans in general primarily because Wakanda was better off than everyone around them, anyway. If they had had a serious poverty problem, the whole setup would've buckled as people fled in search of a better life, but they didn't need to search for that, so everything held up.
 
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