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How do you rate "Black Panther"?


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Ryan Coogler has revealed what happened to Killmonger's mother and it's rather tragic:

Before the events of Black Panther, N'Jobu (Sterling K. Brown), the brother of the king of Wakanda, falls in love with a woman in Oakland and they have a child, who grows up to be Erik "Killmonger" Stevens (Michael B. Jordan). It is through his love for Erik's mother that N'Jobu changes his mind about the world outside of Wakanda, and decides he must help its people.

At the start of Black Panther, the audience sees N'Jobu and a young version of Forest Whitaker's character, Zuri (Denzel Whitaker in the flashbacks), formulating a plan in an Oakland apartment.

"The idea was when you see those guys talking over the paperwork in the beginning of the film, they're talking about a way to break her out of jail," Coogler explains. "The idea was they never got her out, and she passed away in prison, so Killmonger didn't come up with a mom either."​
Ironic that N'Jobu, who had been pro-isolationist, learns altruism from Eric's mom. She gives birth to Eric who attempts to take over the throne from pro-isolationist T'Challa, end Wakanda's isolationism, expand it's influence, and use violence to help black people around the world (though it sounds like what he really wants is to take over the world).

Eric's plan actually eventually leads to T'Challa coming around to Eric and N'Jobu (and Nakia's) thinking on the subject of Wakanda's isolationist policies, and we see T'Challa end Wakanda's anonymity and begin to help others.

Oakland California has always been a hotbed of social activism, so I just wonder if Coogler is saying that that was the reason Eric's mom was in prison. Regardless, this family just could not catch a break.
 
Ironic that N'Jobu, who had been pro-isolationist, learns altruism from Eric's mom. She gives birth to Eric who attempts to take over the throne from pro-isolationist T'Challa, end Wakanda's isolationism, expand it's influence, and use violence to help black people around the world (though it sounds like what he really wants is to take over the world).

Eric's plan actually eventually leads to T'Challa coming around to Eric and N'Jobu (and Nakia's) thinking on the subject of Wakanda's isolationist policies, and we see T'Challa end Wakanda's anonymity and begin to help others.

Oakland California has always been a hotbed of social activism, so I just wonder if Coogler is saying that that was the reason Eric's mom was in prison. Regardless, this family just could not catch a break.
Coogler is from Oakland so I'm pretty sure that's precisely his point.
 
Marvel needs to be careful that they don't trip over the bar set by Steppenwolf in Justice League.

What do you mean?

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He jumps well high. :p
 
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Fantastic as always! :lol:
 
Watched BP for a second time tonight. Even though I thought it was a very good movie during the first viewing, I have to say I enjoyed it more the second time around.

I still have a problem with Killmonger defeating T'Challa in combat. I would expect Killmonger to be proficient in a wide variety of weapons (pistols, rifles, explosives and knives), but not combat with swords, spears and shields. I realize that Killmonger may have has some knowledge of this type of combat from his research into Wakandan customs and the like, but he still should be nowhere near T'Challa's level of expertise.

Regardless of my little peeve, it's still an excellent film. To quote Bucky about Wakanda, "I love this place".
 
Loki is the only half-way decent villain in the Marvel cinematic universe other than Killmonger, and that's 90% Hiddleston's performance. They've all been lame on the page other than Killmonger.

Honest Trailers is hilarious and on point, HISHE is a one-joke premise on offer way past its sell-by date...as usual.
 
I still have a problem with Killmonger defeating T'Challa in combat. I would expect Killmonger to be proficient in a wide variety of weapons (pistols, rifles, explosives and knives), but not combat with swords, spears and shields. I realize that Killmonger may have has some knowledge of this type of combat from his research into Wakandan customs and the like, but he still should be nowhere near T'Challa's level of expertise.

The guy probably had this whole scheme planned for years. He would have known to train in swords, spears, and shields.
 
Probably? He said right then and there at the challenge that he had been planning his whole life for this.

Yeah, I didn't remember the exact wording, so I wasn't sure it was directly stated or just implied. Regardless, the guy clearly planned ahead enough to be just as competent with such tools as T'Challa.
 
Are those awesome Wakandan waterfalls CG, or an actual location? If the latter, anybody know where?
 
Are those awesome Wakandan waterfalls CG, or an actual location? If the latter, anybody know where?
Movie magic. According to Cinefex, the Warrior Falls waterfall was a 100-foot-wide set built in Atlanta, fed by an artificial waterfall (though the shallow water they were actually fighting in was deemed insufficiently rapid, so it was painted out and replaced). The wide shots were based on a configuration of cliffs in Africa (unnamed in the article, sorry) that were waterfalls in the distant past, but have now run dry. To get an idea of what they'd look like wet, they referred to photography of Jim Jim Falls in Australia, which are made of a similar type of rock, as well as Victoria Falls and Iguazú Falls.
 
Movie magic. According to Cinefex, the Warrior Falls waterfall was a 100-foot-wide set built in Atlanta, fed by an artificial waterfall (though the shallow water they were actually fighting in was deemed insufficiently rapid, so it was painted out and replaced). The wide shots were based on a configuration of cliffs in Africa (unnamed in the article, sorry) that were waterfalls in the distant past, but have now run dry. To get an idea of what they'd look like wet, they referred to photography of Jim Jim Falls in Australia, which are made of a similar type of rock, as well as Victoria Falls and Iguazú Falls.
Yeah, I could tell the challenge fights took place on a set. I was wondering more about the huge waterfalls we see when they first fly into Wakanda.
 
Yeah, I could tell the challenge fights took place on a set. I was wondering more about the huge waterfalls we see when they first fly into Wakanda.
Ah. That isn't discussed in the article (aside from a mention that Wakanda is located around the real-world Bwindi Impenetrable Forest). Maybe the art of book? I don't remember the view well enough to try and track it down.
 
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