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Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread

How do you rate "Black Panther"?

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crookeddy said:
Seriously. I saw a well made MCU movie. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Yeah, me too.

It was a good Marvel movie - solid, well made with no glaring flaws. Good script, good performances and very pretty to look at, but not quite in the same league as Winter Soldier, Avengers and the very best from Marvel.

I absolutely get the cultural phenomenon and how important it is that there is a black led hit superhero movie at last. That, however, makes it an important movie, it doesn't make it a masterpiece.
 
Now #1 US superhero movie if inflation is not taken into account.
EDIT (for clarity): Now #1 all-time US box office for a superhero movie (if inflation is not taken into account)

Code: 
                    US Domestic
Black Panther       $630,916,236
The Avengers        $623,357,910

                    US Domestic (Adjusted for Inflation)
The Avengers        $705,769,500
Dark Knight         $683,575,000
Spider-Man          $637,870,000
Black Panther       $630,916,236

                    Worldwide (US+Overseas)
The Avengers        $1,518,812,988
Avengers: Ultron    $1,405,403,694
Black Panther       $1,237,316,236
 
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Damnit, you beat me to it. I was just about to post about that.

Black Panther reached this mark in a mere 37 days as oppose to The Avengers' 133 days. Even accounting for inflation, that's very impressive.

The film is also $22 and $29 million dollars away from reaching Jurassic World and Titanic, respectively. Technically, it already has passed Titanic based on original run, which earned about $600 million if I recall correctly.
 
Relayer1 said:
I absolutely get the cultural phenomenon and how important it is that there is a black led hit superhero movie at last. That, however, makes it an important movie, it doesn't make it a masterpiece.
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Blade doesn't count?

I actually found the movie rather racist and offensive. Why is the most advanced country in the world an absolute monarchy where leadership is decided by combat to the death?
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Now #1 US superhero movie if inflation is not taken into account.

Code: 
                    US Domestic
Black Panther       $630,916,236
The Avengers        $623,357,910

                    US Domestic (Adjusted for Inflation)
The Avengers        $705,769,500
Dark Knight         $683,575,000
Spider-Man          $637,870,000
Black Panther       $630,916,236

                    Worldwide (US+Overseas)
The Avengers        $1,518,812,988
Avengers: Ultron    $1,405,403,694
Black Panther       $1,237,316,236
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Makes no sense at all...
 
Maybe he means that it's so successful? If you have a problem with my chart let me know the specifics and I'll see if I can address it.
 
crookeddy said:
Blade doesn't count?

I actually found the movie rather racist and offensive. Why is the most advanced country in the world an absolute monarchy where leadership is decided by combat to the death?
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There wasn't the superhero profile back then, and I doubt Blade was viewed as one by most viewers anyway.

I'm white. I don't get to call it racist if black viewers aren't offended. And black audiences appear to like it.
 
I voted A+. I want to post sooner but it's a hard slog to get through this bigoted thread.

Maybe there should be Black Panther Movie discussion thread and a Black Panther racism discussion thread so I can go in the first and avoid the other.

I loved the movie. If I had to chose something that I didn't like, it's that Black Panther's whole suit was in his necklace, that seemed too Star Trekie to me. But that's so minor compared to everything else. The whole country and culture of Wakanda was really cool, the characters were all great. I didn't realize that was Black Panther's sister sitting there at the end of Civil War. The colors were vivid and beautiful. The costumers should win and Oscar, the were excellent. Man Ape was there, I was so happy they included him, he's been around in so many BP stories, and I like that he's adversarial without being the "bad guy" because he might be next time out. Klaw was great. I don't mind he's dead, there's so many other B or C list villains to use.

I'm wondering if the Vibranium Meteor is the last Infinity Stone. It would make more sense with how Vibranium is depicted in this movie. I also think this movie is a perfect lead in to Infinity War because Wakandan technology is probably the only reason Earth isn't going to be destroyed.

I have some criticism about the hyperbole and bull about the movie, but that's hardly the movie's fault. The one that annoyed me the most was how Killmonger fixed MCU's "villain problem" First of all, he's dead, so what could have been fixed, and second his backstory is almost beat for beat the same as the villain for Iron Man 2 except the kid grew up in the father's homeland that he was banished back to. Otherwise it's the old sins of the father thing coming back to the protagonist. Whatever. The movie was great, I shouldn't care about what a bunch of empty heads chatter about seeing in the movie. It's a great movie with universal appeal, that's what counts.
 
crookeddy said:
Why is the most advanced country in the world an absolute monarchy where leadership is decided by combat to the death?
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The short answer is because that is how it is in the comics. It is interesting that you brought this up because I have been considering this a lot. Before I saw the movie I heard a lot of talk about how the line between the hero and the
villain was not a clear moral one as in most super-hero movies and I did not see this at all.

If the movie wanted to actually be progressive, It could have written a clear political divide into the script. The villain could have been a populist trying to get the people to rise against totalitarianism. Or Wakanda could have been portrayed as a democratic monarchy with the king as a figure head and the villain believing the country needed a "benevolent" (in his eyes) dictator to lead the country into the future.
 
crookeddy said:
Blade doesn't count?

I actually found the movie rather racist and offensive. Why is the most advanced country in the world an absolute monarchy where leadership is decided by combat to the death?
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It is a fictional nation and you need to leave it at that. Wakanda in the real world would have likely self destructed years ago. Isolated countries with a single export and a monarch (no matter how altruistic) historically don't fair very well in the long term.
 
Emh said:
Damnit, you beat me to it. I was just about to post about that.

Black Panther reached this mark in a mere 37 days as oppose to The Avengers' 133 days. Even accounting for inflation, that's very impressive.

The film is also $22 and $29 million dollars away from reaching Jurassic World and Titanic, respectively. Technically, it already has passed Titanic based on original run, which earned about $600 million if I recall correctly.
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Sure as hell is. Gonna be really interesting to see where BP ends up on the all time list by the time it finally leaves theaters.
 
gblews said:
Sure as hell is. Gonna be really interesting to see where BP ends up on the all time list by the time it finally leaves theaters.
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Unless Black Panther has the legs Avatar had. I don't expect it to reach even Avatar's original run. There's a chance it might, but I think the odds are 30/70 at best.

crookeddy said:
This movie becoming a cultural phenomenon is the part that makes no sense.
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...you're kidding, right? Does that really need an explanation?
 
Emh said:
...you're kidding, right? Does that really need an explanation?
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Absolutely! If the secret to making billions was to make a black superhero dictator who wins power by fighting to the death, why hasn't it been done yet? Isn't that what those pitch-men get paid to do? Gage what the people want and give it to them? The comic book has existed since what the 60s?
 
crookeddy said:
Absolutely! If the secret to making billions was to make a black superhero dictator who wins power by fighting to the death, why hasn't it been done yet? Isn't that what those pitch-men get paid to do? Gage what the people want and give it to them? The comic book has existed since what the 60s?
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If you are saying here that you believe the only reason BP has become a "cultural phenomenon" is because it shows a "black dictator who wins power by fighting to the death", then a discussion is not likely to be very fruitful. Suffice it to say that I think you may have missed a good deal of what the movie was about and how that affected audiences.

I suppose this sentiment is somehow related to your wacky statement about the movie being racist, right?
 
crookeddy said:
I actually found the movie rather racist and offensive. Why is the most advanced country in the world an absolute monarchy where leadership is decided by combat to the death?
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You had a problem with a movie where black people ride around on rhinos and make ape noises? What could be offensive about that?
 
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