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Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread

How do you rate "Black Panther"?


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You had a problem with a movie where black people ride around on rhinos and make ape noises? What could be offensive about that?

Yeah, that's the kind of overtly racist crap that stood out to me, and I left the movie thinking "that was good, but ohhh boy is the internet going to destroy this!" and then... the exact opposite happens and I am dumbfounded.
 
You had a problem with a movie where black people ride around on rhinos and make ape noises? What could be offensive about that?

Yeah, that's the kind of overtly racist crap that stood out to me, and I left the movie thinking "that was good, but ohhh boy is the internet going to destroy this!" and then... the exact opposite happens and I am dumbfounded.
No doubt.

Could be "the internet" knows something you two don't. ;)
 
...why hasn't it been done yet? Isn't that what those pitch-men get paid to do? Gage what the people want and give it to them? The comic book has existed since what the 60s?

Yes, and they gauge what people want by what they've wanted in the past. There is a bias in favor of that which already exists when making predictions of the future. This isn't a rare phenomena. It's very, very risky to make a big gamble on a large hole in the market, because more often than not, you won't find an untapped audience, but instead that the reason no one makes stuff like "x" is that no one will buy stuff like "x." And that's not even touching all the other multitude of biases and conventional thinking that would've stood in the way of a Black-Panther-like movie for a half-century. It's just self-evident that the reason that there hasn't been a movie like Black Panther before is that there hasn't been a movie like Black Panther before.

No one was making movies like Star Wars before Star Wars, it was expected to be a boondoggle after a disaster of a production and, guess what? It turned out people really wanted movies like Star Wars, and then they started making a ton of movies like Star Wars.
 
"Do as I say, not as I do"?
Don't know what to tell you other than the reason no one perceived the W'Kabi character and his people as having any negative racial overtones is because none existed. It is about intent and a certain amount of sensitivity. Also consider, these characters were a part of the original Black Panther stories from the comics.

Now, the reason you (or anyone else) thought it was racist, I suspect, may have more to do with what may be in your head rather than what is actually on the screen.
 
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Saw this last night. Brilliant movie - I think this brings to four the number of Marvel movies I've enjoyed from start to finish, and this may be the best of the lot.

Kind of forgot it was a "superhero" movie in places - long sequences play as either an amped-up James Bond or a more general science fiction/fantasy movie. If they ever get around to doing a Nick Fury movie as such I'd think it could be something like this.

It's nice to see that it's currently the top-grossing superhero movie of all time in the U.S. Personally, it reminded me of watching Iron Man when that first came out.
 
Kind of forgot it was a "superhero" movie in places - long sequences play as either an amped-up James Bond or a more general science fiction/fantasy movie. If they ever get around to doing a Nick Fury movie as such I'd think it could be something like this.

I agree with this. I imagine the Black Widow movie, if it ever comes out, to be similar to what you are describing--as are several of the Netflix series.
 
Kind of forgot it was a "superhero" movie in places - long sequences play as either an amped-up James Bond or a more general science fiction/fantasy movie. If they ever get around to doing a Nick Fury movie as such I'd think it could be something like this.

I was thinking that too. But if they did a Fury solo movie, I’d really love it to be a period piece set in the 1960s or 1970s, with a retro Connery/Moore feel. Ideally they’d perfect their de-ageing SFX to allow Big Sam to play young Fury throughout. I’m not sure any actor could really fill his boots even as a younger version.
 
I was thinking that too. But if they did a Fury solo movie, I’d really love it to be a period piece set in the 1960s or 1970s, with a retro Connery/Moore feel. Ideally they’d perfect their de-ageing SFX to allow Big Sam to play young Fury throughout. I’m not sure any actor could really fill his boots even as a younger version.
Which isn't too much of a leap since he hasn't aged that much over the years and usually had the bald look anyways.
 
So this is the fifth highest grossing movie in U.S. history, and it can be expected to knock off Jurassic World and maybe even Titanic before it's done. Whoa.
 
I want him to wear a 1970s Afro.
I'm down with that. :D

Seeing as how Marvel gave a subtle nod to Pulp Fiction in The Winter Soldier, I'd love to see Jackson don the jheri curl look again for a younger Nick Fury.
It's been awhile since I've seen The Winter Soldier. Remind me what the reference was.

The world's gone mad.
Yes, it has. Madly in love with this wonderful, long overdue film.
 
Yes, it has. Madly in love with this wonderful, long overdue film.
It's true that it has been a while since Africans were portrayed riding rhinos into battle, and declaring allegiance to a leader who gained power in ritual combat. However, I am not sure I'd say we were due one either.
 
It's been awhile since I've seen The Winter Soldier. Remind me what the reference was.

The epitaph on Nick Fury's gravestone had "The path of the righteous man", from Ezekiel 25:17 and one of Samuel Jackson's iconic lines in Pulp Fiction.
 
The world has been angry for a while.

This is a pretty great film, as action fantasy goes, and certainly deserves to be more successful than the other Marvel flicks.

As far as Marvel movies, I still only consider the first Iron Man to be anything out of the ordinary. The rest just mesh into one for me.
 
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