Black and white version of Deep Breath has leaked

[JoeZhang]

For me the interesting thing so far about the leaked episodes - is that the Doctor's character is..

Spoiler: spoilers

is more grumpy than dark as been teased - he might get darker later but so far there isn't any evidence of it

 

[Photoman15]

Does anyone else think

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the equations the Doctor's constantly scribbling (first on Vastra's floor and then the chalkboard in the console room) are going to wind up being important down the road? Equations to freeing Gallifrey perhaps?

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Didn't think before. The equations are what all 12, no 13 Doctors were working on for hundreds of years to lock away Galifrey, not free it. There will probably be an episode that will be "Day of the Doctor" from his perspective, then we'll see the eyes close up.

 

[StCoop]

For me the interesting thing so far about the leaked episodes - is that the Doctor's character is..

Spoiler: spoilers

is more grumpy than dark as been teased - he might get darker later but so far there isn't any evidence of it

Yes, more groucyh Uncle than dark and brooding Time Lord.

In fact having seen three episodes now the much vaunted changes are more in theory than practice.

 

[intrinsical]

For me the interesting thing so far about the leaked episodes - is that the Doctor's character is..

Spoiler: spoilers

is more grumpy than dark as been teased - he might get darker later but so far there isn't any evidence of it

Yes, more groucyh Uncle than dark and brooding Time Lord.

In fact having seen three episodes now the much vaunted changes are more in theory than practice.

Agreed. Episode 3 is funny as hell.

 

[Tom]

For me the interesting thing so far about the leaked episodes - is that the Doctor's character is..

Spoiler: spoilers

is more grumpy than dark as been teased - he might get darker later but so far there isn't any evidence of it

Yes, more groucyh Uncle than dark and brooding Time Lord.

In fact having seen three episodes now the much vaunted changes are more in theory than practice.

Agreed. Episode 3 is funny as hell.

I saw 3 yesterday, pretty good repor with Robin and the Doctor.

 

[Candlelight]

Yes, more groucyh Uncle than dark and brooding Time Lord.

In fact having seen three episodes now the much vaunted changes are more in theory than practice.

Agreed. Episode 3 is funny as hell.

I saw 3 yesterday, pretty good repor with Robin and the Doctor.

It was good but Capaldi isn't hitting his lines as good as he should. There's just something about his delivery which isn't working. Hopefully it comes across as more polished in the final versions.

I found the script was better than the episode, but usually I set myself up for a fall when I do that. Was still the best of the three so far.

 

[Mr Awe]

I have no interesting in seeing these now. I'll wait for the finished product.

Judging these working prints is like giving a grade based on a rough draft! It's unfair to those who put all the effort into it.

 

[Tom]

To be fair we are only judging the actors presentations of there characters which wont really change in the final version besides some timing adjustments here and there. That's all I'm looking for while there, everything else will have to be judged in the finished versions.

 

[StCoop]

Judging these working prints is like giving a grade based on a rough draft!

If you're talking about the credits, music and finished effects. The scripts and performances are exactly the same as what will be transmitted, since these were designed for use in creating translations of the episodes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I colourize it in my memories.

Although the cartoon stand ins for the missing CGI is actually better than some of the space operas from the 80s.

 

[Professor Zoom]

To be fair we are only judging the actors presentations of there characters which wont really change in the final version besides some timing adjustments here and there. That's all I'm looking for while there, everything else will have to be judged in the finished versions.

I don't know if that's totally true. There could still be some final editing, and I bet sound mixing.

And our perception of a performance can change with a score.

So, I disagree. The presentation of the performances in these cuts aren't finished.

 

[Mr Awe]

Judging these working prints is like giving a grade based on a rough draft!

If you're talking about the credits, music and finished effects. The scripts and performances are exactly the same as what will be transmitted, since these were designed for use in creating translations of the episodes.

The editing, music, and SFx are not the final product. Those can drastically change the feel of the episodes.

I agree with Professor Zoom as well.

Mr Awe

 

[kirk55555]

I liked the three episodes, but its not like they're going to be tremendously different when they're complete. If someone didn't like the story from what they see in the B&W cuts, they aren't going to like it when they're complete. I'm sure they'll be improved, but from a story/acting perspective its not like someone who thinks the stories/performances are weak is going to get their mind changed by color and complete music/special effects, unless some of the actors are getting completely redubbed by someone else in the final product

 

[Professor Zoom]

I liked the three episodes, but its not like they're going to be tremendously different when they're complete. If someone didn't like the story from what they see in the B&W cuts, they aren't going to like it when they're complete. I'm sure they'll be improved, but from a story/acting perspective its not like someone who thinks the stories/performances are weak is going to get their mind changed by color and complete music/special effects, unless some of the actors are getting completely redubbed by someone else in the final product

ADR could still happen. Sound mixing could still be happening. Final editing could still be happening. AND, yes, the final score. All of those have an affect on how we feel about a performance.

Think about the attack on the Death Star in Star Wars. One with the Williams score and one with the theme music from Benny Hill. Same performances, but we're going to feel very differently.

And with final editing, a story's pacing could change, a performance can sharpen.

So, again, I disagree. You are seeing a rough edit, something that isn't meant to be seen, let alone be judged, by a general audience.

 

[Mr Awe]

I liked the three episodes, but its not like they're going to be tremendously different when they're complete. If someone didn't like the story from what they see in the B&W cuts, they aren't going to like it when they're complete.

I'm glad you liked them, but the rest is just a guess on your part. The editing, music, and SFx can totally change the energy of an episode. Your perception of the performances can change.

Mr Awe

 

[kirk55555]

No, you're perception of the performances can change. Music and special effects have less than zero effect on my opinion of a story or the performances of the story.

 

[Professor Zoom]

No, you're perception of the performances can change. Music and special effects have less than zero effect on my opinion of a story or the performances of the story.

Sure. Ok.

 

[Candlelight]

ADR could still happen. Sound mixing could still be happening. Final editing could still be happening. AND, yes, the final score.

Considering there are ADR text notes on screen, rough CGI shots/composites and poor audio in places I'd say that's a yes to all of those.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

It's interesting how far Doctor Who's music has come. Certainly some of the old stock or electronic music is pretty good, but Murray Gold really made it a major component of the show, complete with character themes.

 

[Mister Fandango]

Why ruin the experience by watching an incomplete version when the real one is just a few days away?