Birthdays of the Voyager crew-a suggestion

[Inactive-Shapeshifter]

My birthday is 5 days after Seven's! Now, how cool is that?

 

[kirkfan]

My birthday is 5 days after Seven's! Now, how cool is that?

I was born the same month as Chakotay and Paris. Now, that's something, I really didn't need to know.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Janeway is the most complicated in this project because there are a lot of condtradictions here and there. Backing her year of birth with three years to 2332 (which would make her 39 in 2371)
would make her three years older than Riker who she met during her first year at Starfleet Academy and that was obviously not the fact. So for now, I'll stick to the original suggestion.

Do we have any established ages for when anyone joined Starfleet?

 

[kirkfan]

Janeway is the most complicated in this project because there are a lot of condtradictions here and there. Backing her year of birth with three years to 2332 (which would make her 39 in 2371)
would make her three years older than Riker who she met during her first year at Starfleet Academy and that was obviously not the fact. So for now, I'll stick to the original suggestion.

Do we have any established ages for when anyone joined Starfleet?

I suppose that depends on the level of canon you want to put in it.

 

[Hando]

^We have to work with what we have.

The minimal entrance age for Starfleet academy appears to be 17. Kirk did and Picard tried. Although it seems that Riker, Janeway, and Chakotay entered at 18.
This is objective, as I am not sure if Starfleet Academy has semester or trimester, and/or if the school year starts in September.
Also the general rule is 4 years, however is there also 2 years of command school and what about the shortened curriculum?

 

[Lynx]

Janeway is the most complicated in this project because there are a lot of condtradictions here and there. Backing her year of birth with three years to 2332 (which would make her 39 in 2371)
would make her three years older than Riker who she met during her first year at Starfleet Academy and that was obviously not the fact. So for now, I'll stick to the original suggestion.

Do we have any established ages for when anyone joined Starfleet?

As some posters have replied, there are very little data about that. I will look in some sources to see what I can find.

Since I'm decked with a flu, I took the liberty to watch the amazing "Star Trek Inponderables". Great stuff! So many continuity errors.

OK, I can have a certain tolerance when it come to TOS when everything was new and no one did know that there would be a large fandom, including some nitpickers like us who would analyze and reveal the obvious errors.

As for the other series, the whole ENT looks like a big continuity error, I guess that's one of the reasons I never really liked it.

As for Voyager, since I'm a guy who like a certain continuity, I've tried to find explanations for some of the worst errors, like coming up with the idea of a "Shuttle and Torpedo Building Team" and dismissing "Threshold" as a nightmare Paris had. Some of my explanations can be found on the Kes Website.

When I was working with the Voyager crewmembers birthdays, a job which isn't finished yet since there are a few things I have to change on different pages, lists and maps, it started to itch in my fingers to come up with a new stardate for "Parallax". According to official sources, the stardate for "Caretaker is 48315.6 = 26 April 2371 and for "Parallax" it is stardate 48439.7 = 10 June 2371.

So what did they do for more than a whole month since they obviously hadn't sorted out some of the more important things in time for the events in "Parallax"? It couldn't take that time for Janeway to find a new Chief Engineer. Were they teaching the Ocampa to play dom-jot or were they supervising the first Kazon Olympic Games? No, the events in "Parallax" should take place maybe a week after the events in Caretaker.
I have to point out that the stardates for "Maneuvers" and "Investigations" are wrong too. The official stardate for "Maneuvers" places the episode between "Caretaker" and "Parallax" which can't be possible while the official stardate for "Investigations" places it before the events in "Lifesigns", another impossibility. So I took the liberty of changing the stardates for these two episodes. Maybe I'll do the same for "Parallax".

Am I a bit arrogant and big-headed here? Maybe, but someone's got to clean up some of Braga's mess.


As for TNG and DS9, if my current flu would last for six months, then maybe i could come up with some explanations for the errors there. I think I need some time for that.

 

[kirkfan]

^We have to work with what we have.

The minimal entrance age for Starfleet academy appears to be 17. Kirk did and Picard tried. Although it seems that Riker, Janeway, and Chakotay entered at 18.
This is objective, as I am not sure if Starfleet Academy has semester or trimester, and/or if the school year starts in September.
Also the general rule is 4 years, however is there also 2 years of command school and what about the shortened curriculum?

Wouldn't the very gifted ones sometimes skip a class or two?

 

[Hando]

Janeway is the most complicated in this project because there are a lot of condtradictions here and there. Backing her year of birth with three years to 2332 (which would make her 39 in 2371)
would make her three years older than Riker who she met during her first year at Starfleet Academy and that was obviously not the fact. So for now, I'll stick to the original suggestion.

Do we have any established ages for when anyone joined Starfleet?

As some posters have replied, there are very little data about that. I will look in some sources to see what I can find.

Since I'm decked with a flu, I took the liberty to watch the amazing "Star Trek Inponderables". Great stuff! So many continuity errors.

I would like to wish to get well soon. Or not soon, it is up to you.

^We have to work with what we have.

The minimal entrance age for Starfleet academy appears to be 17. Kirk did and Picard tried. Although it seems that Riker, Janeway, and Chakotay entered at 18.
This is objective, as I am not sure if Starfleet Academy has semester or trimester, and/or if the school year starts in September.
Also the general rule is 4 years, however is there also 2 years of command school and what about the shortened curriculum?

Wouldn't the very gifted ones sometimes skip a class or two?

Well yes, but what are the rules. Is the 2 years Vulcan curriculum used for all Vulcans? Does it mean that Tuvok entered the academy at 27?

Not wanting to enter a military or not-military debate, does anyone know what the rules for skipping and acknowledging lessons is at a military academy? I would guess that hey are more strict in these thing, but I just lack personal experience.

For example did Wesley skip something?

And what about Nog? His time at the academy was significantly sort, was it because Starfleet needed bodies, because he was an experienced engineer, or truly because of combat experience?

 

[kirkfan]

Do we have any established ages for when anyone joined Starfleet?

As some posters have replied, there are very little data about that. I will look in some sources to see what I can find.

Since I'm decked with a flu, I took the liberty to watch the amazing "Star Trek Inponderables". Great stuff! So many continuity errors.

I would like to wish to get well soon. Or not soon, it is up to you.

^We have to work with what we have.

The minimal entrance age for Starfleet academy appears to be 17. Kirk did and Picard tried. Although it seems that Riker, Janeway, and Chakotay entered at 18.
This is objective, as I am not sure if Starfleet Academy has semester or trimester, and/or if the school year starts in September.
Also the general rule is 4 years, however is there also 2 years of command school and what about the shortened curriculum?

Wouldn't the very gifted ones sometimes skip a class or two?

Well yes, but what are the rules. Is the 2 years Vulcan curriculum used for all Vulcans? Does it mean that Tuvok entered the academy at 27?

Not wanting to enter a military or not-military debate, does anyone know what the rules for skipping and acknowledging lessons is at a military academy? I would guess that hey are more strict in these thing, but I just lack personal experience.

For example did Wesley skip something?

And what about Nog? His time at the academy was significantly sort, was it because Starfleet needed bodies, because he was an experienced engineer, or truly because of combat experience?

Actually Wesley had to start over after one year after being nearly dismissed for participating in a cover up involving the death of a cadet.

 

[Hando]

^Yes.

And think about it, if people can skip some classes because they already know them would it not just show that it was no punishment at all?

Or was there just a note on their records> Do not advance these 3?

 

[kirkfan]

^Yes.

And think about it, if people can skip some classes because they already know them would it not just show that it was no punishment at all?

Or was there just a note on their records> Do not advance these 3?

He's just lucky to stay in Starfleet after something like that, regardless of the conditions. In fact, he managed to betray them a second time after that.

 

[Lynx]

^^
Well, he actually make both Locarno and Paris look like amateurs. Is it possible that Wesley is one of the worst crooks Starfleet ever had?

 

[kirkfan]

^^
Well, he actually make both Locarno and Paris look like amateurs. Is it possible that Wesley is one of the worst crooks Starfleet ever had?

Well, he's been a lot of detestable things throughout the show and in his last episode, he condescends to Data, humiliates Geordi, show disrespect to Picard and betrays starfleet as a whole. That's a lot for just one episode.

 

[Lynx]

Well, I have to bump this thread because the final updates are made and published on the Kes Website as a new page named "Voyager Birthdays".

Additional changes have been made to the Timeline, Star Maps, Episode Guide and Book Reviews as well.

So here it is:

Kathryn Janeway: Born 20 May 2335 (Stardate 12383.22)

Comment: According to Memory Alpha and Memory Beta, Janeway's birthday is 20 May. But no official year of birth is to find anywhere. The most realistic birthyear seem to be 2335 which will make the character's age the same as Kathryn Mulgrew's when Voyager started. It will also fit into the scenario in the book "Pathways" in which Janeway met William Riker at Starfleet Academy during her first year there.

Chakotay: Born 19 November 2329 (Stardate 06884.75)

Comment: According to Memory Alpha and Memory Beta Chakotay was born in 2329. The day and month of birth is the same as actor Robert Beltran.

Tom Paris: Born 9 November 2346 (Stardate 23855.06)

Comment: According to Memory Beta, Tom Paris was born in 2346. The day and month of birth is the same as actor Robert Duncan McNeill.

B'Elanna Torres: Born 11 September 2346 (Stardate 23693.37)

Comment: According to Memory Alpha, Torres was born in 2349, however Memory Beta states her year of birth to 2346. Memory Beta is obviously right since B'Elanna is older than Harry Kim.The day and month of birth is the same as actress Roxann Dawson.

Tuvok: Born 2 August 2264. (Stardate -59584.69, old system 3877.4)

Comment: Memory Alpha and Memory Beta states Tuvok's year of birth to 2264. Memory Beta states that Tuvok was born at Stardate 3877.4. That must refer to the old stardate system used before 2323, otherwise Tuvok would be born in 2361 which is far from the truth. Some sources point out Tuvok's birthday at 2 August 2264 which is Stardate -59584.69.

Kes: Born 12 December 2369 (Stardate 46945.5)

Comment: Kes's birthday is celebrated in the season 1 episode "Twisted". Since the episode takes place in 2371, Kes's year of birth is 2369 which is also stated at Memory Alpha and Memory Beta. According to some sources, the Stardate for "Twisted" is 48949.8 which is Sunday 12 December 2371.

Neelix: Born 8 February 2337 (Stardate 14104.14)

Comment: According to Memory Beta, Neelix was born in 2337. The day and month of birth is the same as actor Ethan Phillips.

Harry Kim: Born 5 March 2349 (Stardate 26172.65)

Comment: In the book "The Black Shore", Harry Kim mention that it is his birthday. Memory Beta gives the Stardate of the day to 50175 which is Monday 5 March 2373

The Doctor: Activated 23 April 2371 (Stardate 48308.2)

Comment: According to Memory Alpha and Memory Beta, The Doctor (also known as Lewis Shmullus Zimmerman) was activated at Stardate 48308.2 = Friday 23 April 2371, three days before the official stardate for the episode "Caretaker" which is 48315.6 = Monday 26 April 2371, the day when the crew was beamed back to Voyager from the Caretaker's array and Janeway noted it in the ship's log.

Seven Of Nine: Born 24 June 2348 (Stardate 25479.5)

Comment: According to Memory Alpha, Seven Of Nine (or Annika Hansen) was born at stardate 25479 which according to my Stardate Calculator is 24 June 2348. However, Memory Alpha states her year of birth to 2350 while Memory Beta states her year of birth to 2348. I prefer to go with Memory Beta here since my Stardate Calculator states Stardate 25479 as 24 june 2348.


Some other crewmembers:


Joe Carey: Born 15 August 2338 (Stardate 15622.11)

Comment: According to Memory Beta, Joe Carey was born in 2338. The day and month of birth is the same as actor Josh Clark.

Samantha Wildman: Born 5 May 2347 (Stardate 24356.27)

Comment: According to memory Beta, Samantha Wildman was born in 2347. The day and year of birth is the same as actress Nancy Hower.

Naomi Wildman: Born 19 July 2372 (Stardate 49548.7)

Comment: Naomi Wildman was born in the episode "Deadlock" which takes place at stardate 49548.7 which according to my calculations is Wednesday 19 July 2372.

I might add more crewmember birthday's later

And don't forget to celebrate Harry Kim today, 5th March!

 

[kirkfan]

^That looks like it's required a lot of work.

 

[Lynx]

^^
What? Celebrating Harry's birthday? No, not so much work. Just a cake and some candles.

The real problem is that I've been celebrating Kes's birthday on the wrong day for some years. Will she forgive me?

Seriously, it did take some time sorting out the birthdays but I was inspired and it was actually a lot of fun too!

 

[T'Girl]

Tuvok: Born 2 August 2264.

Would you base Tuvok's annual birthday celebration upon a Earth year, or a Vulcan year? If (hypothedically) a Vulcan years was thirteen Earth months long, this year's celebration would be in mid June, while next year's would be in mid July.

This would apply to Kes, Neelix and all the other non-Humans aboard the ship.

 

[fonzob1]

Our trusty information source, Memory Alpha, makes no reference to the length of a Vulcan year.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vulcan_(planet)

 

[Lynx]

Tuvok: Born 2 August 2264.

Would you base Tuvok's annual birthday celebration upon a Earth year, or a Vulcan year? If (hypothedically) a Vulcan years was thirteen Earth months long, this year's celebration would be in mid June, while next year's would be in mid July.

This would apply to Kes, Neelix and all the other non-Humans aboard the ship.

Good question because I would find it a bit weird if I was living on Vulcan and they would be celebrating my birthday after Vulcan years.

However, in this case, I have to base those birthdays upon Earth years since there is no information about the length of a Vulcan year, an Ocampa year or the year of Talax.

Since Ocampa is the fifth planet in their system, the planet would probably have a longer orbit around the sun than Earth has, maybe two years like Mars.

Then we have to consider the size of the sun, the orbit and such things too.

One can always imagine Ocampa having a ten-year orbit around its sun. That would be a way to hget rid of the 9 year lifespan rubbish.

Vulcan is obviously the second planet in the system, according to Memory Beta. How that affects the rotation of the planet is unknown and there are a lot of contradictions to be found here.

As for Talax, not much information available.

 

[kirkfan]

Tuvok: Born 2 August 2264.

Would you base Tuvok's annual birthday celebration upon a Earth year, or a Vulcan year? If (hypothedically) a Vulcan years was thirteen Earth months long, this year's celebration would be in mid June, while next year's would be in mid July.

This would apply to Kes, Neelix and all the other non-Humans aboard the ship.

I think what you're doing here is commonly called "quibbling over minutiae" and that applies to every planet of the Galaxy.