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Bill & Ted Time Travel...

Cmndr J Crichton

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So I'm watching the original Bill & Ted. I know it's late, and I'm probably over thinking this, but wouldn't bringing historical figures from the past into the future drastically alter the present? Especially the ones they took. i could only imagine Doc Brown watching this movie...
 
Maybe, maybe not, considering they seemed to put them back exactly where they got them, it seems like time recognizes them to still be there, as they were once recorded. Somewhat how they said they'd do something in the future, to set something up in the past, and for their POV, they had it instantly.
 
Upon reflection, it would've been neat for the Teacher, or Principal to be a Time Travel bad guy, to give the Future Dudes motivation to send Rufus. If they already passed their exam, why send Rufus? Send a villain to alter history. Future Counsel sends Rufus to repair the damage. Even with the time travel flaws, it's still fun as heck seeing Beethoven rockin' on an electric keyboard.
 
Bogus Journey is coming on next, and basically fixed some of the Time Travel problems of the first movie. It's on HBO Comedy if anyone's interested.
 
So I'm watching the original Bill & Ted. I know it's late, and I'm probably over thinking this, but wouldn't bringing historical figures from the past into the future drastically alter the present? Especially the ones they took. i could only imagine Doc Brown watching this movie...

Nope, it wouldn't alter anything, as the Bill & Ted movies use the "single, immutable timeline" time travel rules, a la Twelve Monkeys. There is no altering of history, no matter what Bill and Ted do. Whatever they do during their time travels was always what happened.
 
Bill & Ted is essentially the American Doctor Who (phone box included), so I think that their actions have about as much effect as Shakespeare fighting witches and Dickens being inspired by gas aliens.
 
No Waay! I never made that connection before. That's pretty neat. It would've been cool to see the series continue. I know there was a short lived TV Series, but without Reeves, Winter, and Carlin it's just not the same.
 
So I'm watching the original Bill & Ted. I know it's late, and I'm probably over thinking this, but wouldn't bringing historical figures from the past into the future drastically alter the present? Especially the ones they took. i could only imagine Doc Brown watching this movie...

Nope, it wouldn't alter anything, as the Bill & Ted movies use the "single, immutable timeline" time travel rules, a la Twelve Monkeys. There is no altering of history, no matter what Bill and Ted do. Whatever they do during their time travels was always what happened.

Wow, thanks, that was what I was trying to say, heh... that because they've done it, it had already happened, or their actions was the cause of history going through the path it had gone.
 
Upon reflection, it would've been neat for the Teacher, or Principal to be a Time Travel bad guy, to give the Future Dudes motivation to send Rufus. If they already passed their exam, why send Rufus? Send a villain to alter history. Future Counsel sends Rufus to repair the damage. Even with the time travel flaws, it's still fun as heck seeing Beethoven rockin' on an electric keyboard.

They sent Rufus because they had always sent Rufus. They knew from Bill & Ted's biographies and episodes of VH1's Behind the Music that Bill & Ted used a time machine given to them by a guy named Rufus time travel to fetch various historical figures from the past in order to pass their history exam and meet their wives/bandmates.
 
It's a comedy. The time travel works in whatever way is funniest. Anything else is overanalyzing.


No Waay! I never made that connection before. That's pretty neat. It would've been cool to see the series continue. I know there was a short lived TV Series, but without Reeves, Winter, and Carlin it's just not the same.

Actually there was an animated series from Hanna-Barbera that did have the voices of Reeves, Winter, Carlin, and Bernie Casey. It was pretty much in the vein of the movie, with each episode having Bill & Ted wandering through history collecting various historical figures to help them learn about a particular idea or theme. It often had celebrity guest stars; for instance, I recall a music-themed episode where Little Richard played himself. It was a fun show. However, in the second season of the cartoon, production moved to DiC and the show changed its cast and format (less meandering through history, more a variety of weird-science sitcom plots that were often in the present day). Oddly, the live-action series that came along later (probably what you're referring to) had the same cast and much the same format as the DiC season of the animated series. Which is bizarre, since you wouldn't expect an animated show to cast people who looked enough like the originals to play them in live action. But they did.
 
It's a comedy. The time travel works in whatever way is funniest. Anything else is overanalyzing.


No Waay! I never made that connection before. That's pretty neat. It would've been cool to see the series continue. I know there was a short lived TV Series, but without Reeves, Winter, and Carlin it's just not the same.

Actually there was an animated series from Hanna-Barbera that did have the voices of Reeves, Winter, Carlin, and Bernie Casey. It was pretty much in the vein of the movie, with each episode having Bill & Ted wandering through history collecting various historical figures to help them learn about a particular idea or theme. It often had celebrity guest stars; for instance, I recall a music-themed episode where Little Richard played himself. It was a fun show. However, in the second season of the cartoon, production moved to DiC and the show changed its cast and format (less meandering through history, more a variety of weird-science sitcom plots that were often in the present day). Oddly, the live-action series that came along later (probably what you're referring to) had the same cast and much the same format as the DiC season of the animated series. Which is bizarre, since you wouldn't expect an animated show to cast people who looked enough like the originals to play them in live action. But they did.

Yeah, I remember the animated series. I used to enjoy watching it and getting the three main characters back for the first season was an added treat. The first episode of the show is available on the bonus disc on the Bill and Ted DVD set.

About the time travel aspect, you bring up a good point about taking them out of the timeline. My only thought is the timeline recognized that they are eventually brought back.

Of course, an interesting storyline for another, different film could be someone bringing these historical figures into the future only to learn that they all mysteriously disappeared in the past and everyone knows that. Or something.
 
Bill & Ted is essentially the American Doctor Who (phone box included), so I think that their actions have about as much effect as Shakespeare fighting witches and Dickens being inspired by gas aliens.

:lol: Never thought of it that way. :techman:


On topic, Bill & Ted's use of time travel is a zany comedy. I wouldn't worry about the temporal mechanics too much. Dude.
 
Bill & Ted is essentially the American Doctor Who (phone box included), so I think that their actions have about as much effect as Shakespeare fighting witches and Dickens being inspired by gas aliens.

:lol: Never thought of it that way. :techman:


On topic, Bill & Ted's use of time travel is a zany comedy. I wouldn't worry about the temporal mechanics too much. Dude.

Time Travel in Bill & Ted is completely consistent, though. The only thing inconsistent is San Dimas Time, and it is quite probable that Rufus was just lying about that to motivate them.
 
Complaining that the temporal mechanics in Bill and Ted is inconsistent is like complaining that the historiography in Mel Brooks' History of the World Part I is inaccurate. It's not supposed to make sense.
 
So I'm watching the original Bill & Ted. I know it's late, and I'm probably over thinking this, but wouldn't bringing historical figures from the past into the future drastically alter the present? Especially the ones they took. i could only imagine Doc Brown watching this movie...

I think the bit with Ted's dad's keys explains all this. They're "lost" throughout the movie, but then it's revealed that Bill and Ted actually went back in time and stole the keys and planted them where they would be needed in the future.

The bigger question than drastically altering the future is why San Dimas isn't crawling with time-duplicates of Bill and Ted running errands...
 
Complaining that the temporal mechanics in Bill and Ted is inconsistent is like complaining that the historiography in Mel Brooks' History of the World Part I is inaccurate. It's not supposed to make sense.

But it *does* make sense. As I explained earlier, they use "whatever happened, happened" time travel rules. And the time travel logic in the movie is perfectly consistent with that. The internal logic of the time travel is adhered to far more closely than in most "serious" sci-fi movies.
 
So I'm watching the original Bill & Ted. I know it's late, and I'm probably over thinking this, but wouldn't bringing historical figures from the past into the future drastically alter the present? Especially the ones they took. i could only imagine Doc Brown watching this movie...

I think the bit with Ted's dad's keys explains all this. They're "lost" throughout the movie, but then it's revealed that Bill and Ted actually went back in time and stole the keys and planted them where they would be needed in the future.

The bigger question than drastically altering the future is why San Dimas isn't crawling with time-duplicates of Bill and Ted running errands...

Because for the most part, there isn't duplicates, there's a couple instances of it, but likely, the 'errands' are done in such a manner that they didn't run into themselves (thus the realization of the keys for instance),
 
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