Biggest Plot Hole?

[JiNX-01]

CommanderRaytas said:
Why? I honestly don't get the difference, then.

Basically, a continuity error is when writers make up a fact that contradicts something that has already been established in an earlier episode.

A plot hole is a fundamental flaw in an episode that leaves an essential element unexplained.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Okay, I think I get it.

Cheers, JiNX!

 

[bluedana]

Like: Archer's father dies when Jon is 12; Archer's father talks to Jon the night before Jon starts flight school = continuity error.

Aliens in TATV can only go warp 2 or 3, but catches up with Enterprise that can exceed warp 5, and can board without anyone noticing they've docked, and there are no MACOs or security officers around = plot holes.

 

[SFRabid]

The Xindi hiring an alien to get aboard Enterprise to scan humans so they can have information to build a bio-weapon. As many times as Xindi boarded Enterprise in attacks, why didn’t they just grab a human?

Any story with time travel.

 

[starburst]

Suliban constantly being able to board Enterprise, shut the power down and kidnap someone in season 1&2, yet when they are chasing Enterprise at the end of season 1 they have to attack and force a surrender.

Enterprise always being the only ship in the sector, especially Trek 5 when there are other ships but "no experienced commanders"...just send Kirk on one of the ships which works properly .

Agree about Generations, he should have gone back to when the found Sorran and locked him in the brig...but then TPTB wanted rid of the Enterprise so thats why they obviously went back only so far

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

bluedana said:
Aliens in TATV can only go warp 2 or 3, but catches up with Enterprise that can exceed warp 5, and can board without anyone noticing they've docked, and there are no MACOs or security officers around = plot holes.

The Good That Men Do is a big help in smoothing over any plot holes that TATV might have caused.

Spoiler: TGTMD

The aliens were intentionally allowed to board the ship in order to get Trip, who had faked his death, away

 

[TeutonicNights]

Star Trek II-The Wrath of Khan

1. Terrell and Chekov thinking they were on the 6th planet of the Ceti Alpha system and not realizing one planet in the system was missing and they were actually on the 5th.
2. Starfleet sending a ship full of green cadets to look after one of the Federation's most secret projects when there was obviously a hostile force threatening it
3. Scotty carrying dying Peter Preston up to the Bridge
4. the Genesis Planet created out of nothing (there was the Mutara Nebula, but still...)
5. Khan not checking after the beam coordinates that were openly visible (without even pressing buttons) on the transporter console-
6. "Sun" in the genesis cave (explanation in the novelization was kinda stupid)
7. Khan beaming up the Genesis device without having received the coordinates from Terrell

 

[Anwar]

There's also the plot hole that in Space Seed all of Khan's followers were multi-ethnic and the same age as him but in WOK they're all a bunch of Aryans and are all much younger than him but are still too old to be the children of the past group.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Anwar said:
There's also the plot hole that in Space Seed all of Khan's followers were multi-ethnic and the same age as him but in WOK they're all a bunch of Aryans and are all much younger than him but are still too old to be the children of the past group.

Maybe that's part of the genetic engineering: the ones from TWOK may only be teenagers but those kids are all in prime physical shape.

Also, remember that a lot of the originals had died by the time TWOK rolled around.

 

[Jack Bauer]

SFRabid said:
The Xindi hiring an alien to get aboard Enterprise to scan humans so they can have information to build a bio-weapon. As many times as Xindi boarded Enterprise in attacks, why didn’t they just grab a human?

Maybe I'm misremembering but I don't think any Xindi boarded the Enterprise until after Raijiin came on board.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Jack Bauer said:

SFRabid said:
The Xindi hiring an alien to get aboard Enterprise to scan humans so they can have information to build a bio-weapon. As many times as Xindi boarded Enterprise in attacks, why didn’t they just grab a human?

Maybe I'm misremembering but I don't think any Xindi boarded the Enterprise until after Raijiin came on board.

The only Xindi who ever boarded Enterprise were there voluntarily.

It was the *Suliban* who were always sneaking on board, but they had an excuse - their personal cloak.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Babaganoosh said:

Jack Bauer said:

SFRabid said:
The Xindi hiring an alien to get aboard Enterprise to scan humans so they can have information to build a bio-weapon. As many times as Xindi boarded Enterprise in attacks, why didn't they just grab a human?

Maybe I'm misremembering but I don't think any Xindi boarded the Enterprise until after Raijiin came on board.

The only Xindi who ever boarded Enterprise were there voluntarily.

Well, yeah, it was "voluntary" on the part of the Xindi. The Reptilians "voluntarily" attacked using a boarding party to recover Raijin and her biometric scans from Enterprise, just as Jack Bauer said.

If you mean every Xindi that was aboard Enterprise was there by invitation of the crew, then no, that's not true.

 

[Anwar]

Babaganoosh said:

Anwar said:
There's also the plot hole that in Space Seed all of Khan's followers were multi-ethnic and the same age as him but in WOK they're all a bunch of Aryans and are all much younger than him but are still too old to be the children of the past group.

Maybe that's part of the genetic engineering: the ones from TWOK may only be teenagers but those kids are all in prime physical shape.

Also, remember that a lot of the originals had died by the time TWOK rolled around.

Khan said that the worms killed about a dozen of his men, but there were more than a Dozen of his super-soldiers in "Space Seed" so there still should have been some non-Aryans.

And where did the teenagers comes from in the first place? Like I said they were too old to be the last group's kids and we didn't see anyone except adults in Space Seed.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

TeutonicNights said:
Star Trek II-The Wrath of Khan

1. Terrell and Chekov thinking they were on the 6th planet of the Ceti Alpha system and not realizing one planet in the system was missing and they were actually on the 5th.
2. Starfleet sending a ship full of green cadets to look after one of the Federation's most secret projects when there was obviously a hostile force threatening it
3. Scotty carrying dying Peter Preston up to the Bridge
4. the Genesis Planet created out of nothing (there was the Mutara Nebula, but still...)
5. Khan not checking after the beam coordinates that were openly visible (without even pressing buttons) on the transporter console-
6. "Sun" in the genesis cave (explanation in the novelization was kinda stupid)
7. Khan beaming up the Genesis device without having received the coordinates from Terrell

You forgot "Doctor" McCoy not giving Terrell and Chekov the once over with his medical tricorder on Regula 1, particularly after they both admitted to being exposed to an alien mind-controlling organism by Khan.

TGT

 

[SFRabid]

Locutus of Bored said:

Babaganoosh said:

Jack Bauer said:

SFRabid said:
The Xindi hiring an alien to get aboard Enterprise to scan humans so they can have information to build a bio-weapon. As many times as Xindi boarded Enterprise in attacks, why didn't they just grab a human?

Maybe I'm misremembering but I don't think any Xindi boarded the Enterprise until after Raijiin came on board.

The only Xindi who ever boarded Enterprise were there voluntarily.

Well, yeah, it was "voluntary" on the part of the Xindi. The Reptilians "voluntarily" attacked using a boarding party to recover Raijin and her biometric scans from Enterprise, just as Jack Bauer said.

If you mean every Xindi that was aboard Enterprise was there by invitation of the crew, then no, that's not true.

And that is what I was really talking about. Why not just grab a human?

 

[starburst]

Anwar said:
Khan said that the worms killed about a dozen of his men, but there were more than a Dozen of his super-soldiers in "Space Seed" so there still should have been some non-Aryans.

Mayb it didnt attack blondes and Khan got lucky

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Anwar said:
Khan said that the worms killed about a dozen of his men

Twenty, actually.

but there were more than a Dozen of his super-soldiers in "Space Seed" so there still should have been some non-Aryans.

There were quite a lot of them outside with Khan on Ceti Alpha V, but we didn't get a look at all of them when they were inside the wreckage of the Botany Bay.

And where did the teenagers comes from in the first place? Like I said they were too old to be the last group's kids

I don't think they *were* too old, they just looked that way. Being genetically engineered, they might have matured faster.

 

[Vergerus]

Ethros said:

amdmiami said:
Well if there is no money, then what motivates people to do jobs? Why would you want to fly around space with the potential of being killed, when you could just stay on Earth and have anything you want.

Because 24th century humans aren't the same as the humans of today.
As Picard said (to the effect of) "The acquisition of wealth is no longer the drivng force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity"

Wealth is no longer a driving force; knowledge is. Hence Starleet

There are many things that motivates a person to act. For example curiosity. Remember: money is not a natural phenomenon. It is a human invention. I think that competition is a fundamental human instinct, and people would compete even without money. They would want to be the strongest, the most intelligent, the bravest, etc... We don't need money for this. People want other people to admire them.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Ethros said:

amdmiami said:
Well if there is no money, then what motivates people to do jobs? Why would you want to fly around space with the potential of being killed, when you could just stay on Earth and have anything you want.

Because 24th century humans aren't the same as the humans of today.

No pun intended, but...I don't buy it. Human nature will never change. It's impossible. Have we changed that much from humans of a millennium ago? No? So why should we believe future humans will be any different from us?

 

[Anwar]

Because their level of tech and general society is vastly different from ours.

What's the point of racism and discrimination between humans compared to the various forms of life out there?

What's the point of capitalist-driven economies when resource scarcity is non-existant?