Big Trek events that would NOT be affected by the time travel

[Elemental]

Perhaps a better title for the thread would have been "Big Trek events that will now have to be dealt with differently".

I'd been meaning to bring this up as a discussion point for a while but never got around to it. If it has already been discussed elsewhere, my apologies. As we all know, the timeline was permanently altered due to Nero's interference. However, in the 40 plus years of history, we've seen A LOT of big events happen. My question to you is: Can you think of any major Trek events that Nero's interference in the timeline would not be expected to interfere with, and that will almost certainly have to be dealt with in a different manner now because of the changes?

One simple example that comes to my mind is V'ger. Voyager 6 would have still been sent out and there isn't really any reason why the sentient probe would not still be heading to Earth to find its creator. This isn't the greatest example though because I don't see why this problem can't be dealt with much the same as it was previously since the key players are presumably all still around. The biggest difference is that with Vulcan destroyed, Spock may not end up seeking Kohlinar and may not receive the same sense of the probe as he did in TMP.

I'm sure someone can come up with better examples than this though. The destruction of Vulcan is probably the most significant aspect of history's changes but there are certainly others as well. It doesn't look like Pike will be going to Talos IV. This means the girl from The Cage may be living a more miserable life without him.

Ok, now it's your turn.

 

[Mr Nighttime]

Well, I would think The Probe is still going to show up to talk to the whales. And the Doomsday machine is still chewing up planets.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The Borg are still out in the Delta quadrant. The Dominion are still in the Gamma quadrant and eventually the Bajoran wormhole will be discovered, so a Dominion war is almost inevitable.

And Starfleet Admirals are most likely still power hungry idiots, so Insurrection could still happen .

 

[Cyke101]

I think the writers pointed out, when discussing ideas for the sequel, that events like the Fesarius would still have to occur in some way, shape, or form.

 

[Elemental]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I don't just want to hear what events will still occur. That's pretty easy. What I'm asking about is events that will still happen BUT will require being managed in a different way because of the timeline changes. Lets take the whale probe as an example. Kirk and co. were conveniently away at Vulcan during the time of the probe coming to Earth and disabling all starships. Now that Vulcan doesn't exist, where might the crew be? Would they still be in a position to go back in time for the whales?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Sorry, mine are obviously long after Kirk's era, so it would be hard to figure how they would be handled differently.

I suppose, assuming the tech is far more advanced because of the altered timeline, Starfleet would be "further out" by the time of TNG. So they might have those first contacts earlier. And if the tech is more advanced at this point, they might have better luck against the Borg when they do meet them.

 

[Cid Highwind]

Lets take the whale probe as an example. Kirk and co. were conveniently away at Vulcan during the time of the probe coming to Earth and disabling all starships. Now that Vulcan doesn't exist, where might the crew be? Would they still be in a position to go back in time for the whales?

Interesting, but those questions could be continued backwards...

They were at Vulcan to merge Spock's soul back into his regenerated body. Will this even be possible (are the Vulcan priests still alive?), or will Spock die, then and there?

Spock's body was regenerated because Kirk's love interest and their son created the Genesis device. Will Kirk have a son? Will he even have met Dr. Marcus? Will the two of them use instable protomatter for their experiments?

Spock was killed, because Khan wanted revenge for being marooned on some hellish planet. Will he still be marooned there? Will he even be found by this Enterprise?

So, what that boils down to, is: EVERY single one of those events that still happen, will happen in a different way. I'd definitely like to see some of them unfold, whether on the screen or in print, though.

 

[Creedence]

Ok, now it's your turn.

I hadn't thought of things like that before, but now that you've sparked my mind into action, this flutters into existance:

With Vulcan obliterated, the U.S.S. Defiant will unlikely receive a full Vulcan crew compliment. Barring that, a human crew may choose to act differently and escape the interspacial anomaly before the crew is killed, preventing the Defiant from falling into Mirror-Tholian clutches and then Mirror-Terrans. Granted, this doesn't change the universe much, but could have a significant impact on the mirror universe.

 

[FlapJoy]

Spock Prime may end up being Starfleets advisor to the future... He knows that Khan is still floating out there, he can competely change Khans' fate, the doomsday machine can be dealt with, saving Captain Decker and his crew, V'Ger too (to save Decker's son), Spock knows where Efram Cochrane ends up, no more Tribbles to needlessly die eating poison quadrotritcale grain, and on and on... I figure Spock will be consulted on many things as they happen or before. Makes you wonder if Spock will take the initiative and travel the galaxy nipping things in the bud. (could be a good series of books).

 

[FlapJoy]

With Vulcan obliterated, the U.S.S. Defiant will unlikely receive a full Vulcan crew compliment. Barring that, a human crew may choose to act differently and escape the interspacial anomaly before the crew is killed, preventing the Defiant from falling into Mirror-Tholian clutches and then Mirror-Terrans. Granted, this doesn't change the universe much, but could have a significant impact on the mirror universe.

Wow, that's a good one. This should be a good thread !!

 

[Hambone]

Mostly, I'm worried about all the horny Vulcans who won't be able to return home when they hit pon farr. This kind of stuff keeps me up nights. The few surviving eligible Vulcan females will have their work cut out for them.

 

[davejames]

I think in the case of III and IV, we can just substitute Vulcan with "New Vulcan" (or wherever the surviving population finally ends up settling). So shouldn't be a problem there.

Honestly though, even if this new Abrams Universe goes on for another 40 years, and they never touch on ANY of these old threats, it won't bother me in the slightest. I'm perfectly happy just to see this crew in some new stories and adventures.

 

[FlapJoy]

Honestly though, even if this new Abrams Universe goes on for another 40 years, and they never touch on ANY of these old threats, it won't bother me in the slightest. I'm perfectly happy just to see this crew in some new stories and adventures.

I agree with you, but it's fun to speculate.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Ok, now it's your turn.

I hadn't thought of things like that before, but now that you've sparked my mind into action, this flutters into existance:

With Vulcan obliterated, the U.S.S. Defiant will unlikely receive a full Vulcan crew compliment. Barring that, a human crew may choose to act differently and escape the interspacial anomaly before the crew is killed, preventing the Defiant from falling into Mirror-Tholian clutches and then Mirror-Terrans. Granted, this doesn't change the universe much, but could have a significant impact on the mirror universe.

I doubt the Defiant's fate would change to much since it DID have a human crew and they DID all die in the interspacial anomaly.

Now the Intrepid with IT'S all Vulcan crew might be affected by the change and as a result maybe a crew of humans in their place will be better at getting out of and destroying the giant space Ameba.

 

[Omega_Glory]

There is no reason to assume that Kirk and the nuEnterprise will be involved in any of the events that took place in TOS. Since he takes command years earlier, he may well be off the Enterprise by TOS timeframe and headed to Grand Admiral of the Fleet or Federation President or whatever. If he can make captain of the fleet flagship by age 25, he should be Admiral of the Fleet by 30ish, and running for Fed President by 35. All he would need to do is save a couple more planets.

I think in the case of III and IV, we can just substitute Vulcan with "New Vulcan" (or wherever the surviving population finally ends up settling). So shouldn't be a problem there.

Honestly though, even if this new Abrams Universe goes on for another 40 years, and they never touch on ANY of these old threats, it won't bother me in the slightest. I'm perfectly happy just to see this crew in some new stories and adventures.

Given the 700+ episodes that have come before, how really new can a "new" story be these days. Trek XI wasn't really a new story itself.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

There is no reason to assume that Kirk and the nuEnterprise will be involved in any of the events that took place in TOS.

Exactly.

The only events that we'll ever hear of from the old continuity will be those that suit the new producers, and they'll be manipulated in whatever way makes them appealing to the writers to begin with - like, say, Khan.

 

[davejames]

Given the 700+ episodes that have come before, how really new can a "new" story be these days. Trek XI wasn't really a new story itself.

Well... new to them.

And of course, it all depends on who's doing the telling. Most of the basic plots in Buffy, Angel and BSG weren't terribly original if you were to break them down, but the fantastic writing and execution oftentimes made them feel new and fresh anyway.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Depending on whether or not he was on Vulcan at the time, Tuvok may not have become friends with Captain Janeway and went with the Maquis to the Delta Quadrant, thereby prompting Janeway to take Voyager into the Badlands to look for him.

 

[Captain MAJ]

Depending on whether or not he was on Vulcan at the time, Tuvok may not have become friends with Captain Janeway and went with the Maquis to the Delta Quadrant, thereby prompting Janeway to take Voyager into the Badlands to look for him.

With only about 10,000 Vulcans Left, it's improbable that Tuvok will even exist. The Star Trek Encyclopedia dates his birth to 2264, 6 years after the events of this movie. What are the chances his parent's made it off Vulcan alive, unless they were off-planet at the time?

 

[Jeri]

I was wondering if he were born on Vulcan.