Big Theory on River Song **SOME SPOILERS**

[Joe Washington]

I believe River Song is...the Spaceman who kills the Doctor in the future, and Rory and Amy's daughter.



Think about it.

A) If you reverse River Song, you get Song River which is a similiar name to Amy Pond. They share some personality traits like a free spirit and a fiery nature.

B) The Cleric said to the Doctor in Flesh and Stone that River was in prison for killing a great man. I believe that great man was the Doctor and the Clerics somehow found out what River did in her past and didn't approve it at all, probably having zero tolerance for any crimes, no matter how far in the past they are.

C) I also think she may remember her past as the Spaceman and that's why she told Amy and Rory to keep it from the Doctor because she may have been afraid that the Doctor may have figure out that she was the Spaceman and misinterpret what she did to his future self. Remember how the future Doctor already knew who the Spaceman was on the spot and doesn't seem that afraid of her. I also think Amy missed hitting the Spaceman/future self with the bullets from her gun on purpose, to make it appear that she wants "it" dead in front of an emotionally distraught Amy and Rory.

D) And, since she is a Time Lady or whatever like her past self, that would explain why the Doctor has some much trust in her because of their similiar natures.

 

[JRoss]

Oh, I really hope that this is not the case. I'm going to be very disappointed if River is Amy's daughter, the Doctor's Daughter, or anything else like that.

 

[Middle Earther]

I can't buy that River is the Doctor's daughter, then there would be incest implications with that big time kiss the last time we saw them.

However, the idea that River does kill the Doctor is strongly implied in the series and not too far fetched at all, but that could be a distraction.

That girl regenerating at the end of Moon is a Time Lord, without a doubt. Is she a splice between Doctor and Amy somehow? Now there's some interesting food for thought.

 

[Joe Washington]

No, JRoss and Middle Earther. You've misunderstood me. I'm not saying she is the Doctor's daughter. I'm saying she's Rory and Amy's daughter whose biology been warped by exposure to constant time travel. Remember in Day of the Moon when Amy told the Doctor her fears about how time travel may have affected her baby since she has been spent most of her time in the Tardis. Maybe it changed River into a female Time Lord or something like a Time Lord but not quite. I strong believe the Doctor isn't River's father because of the incest implications like Middle Earther pointed out.

 

[Admiral_Young]

The theory that River is Amy's daughter has been out for some time now Joe. We discussed it at length in a previous thread. I'm quite fine with it myself. I mentioned in that thread that most fans will be disappointed anyway with who River is just because it has been building up so much and over hyped for so long. Nothing will really be satisfying.

 

[Joe Washington]

I'm not surprised that I'm not the only one who came up with this, Admiral Young. And however the mystery of River Song is resolved, I all hope is that it is done in a way that feels like the pieces of the puzzle are coming together. That you can look back and realize "Oh, it all makes sense."

 

[StCoop]

According to The Sunday Times preview of next week's episode Amy calls her baby Melody.

Melody Pond.

I don't think we need the Enigma Machine to decrypt that one...

 

[Admiral_Young]

Interesting so is that who

Spoiler: Little Girl Character?

"Young Mel"

is supposed to be? The one on IMDB that listed?

 

[Winterwind]

I'd rather River turn out to be the Rani than Amy's daughter.

I'm clinging to the hope that she isn't Amy's daughter based on a line in, IIRC, the Weeping Angels two-parter, something about if he knew who she was, he wouldn't help her. I'd think the Doctor would help Amy's daughter so hopefully, she isn't.

 

[Photoman15]

Come on, we all know that River Song is the (now reformed due to TEoT) Master.

 

[Joe Washington]

I've never thought of that. That would be really twisted.

 

[Sindatur]

Come on, we all know that River Song is the (now reformed due to TEoT) Master.

He did always seem to be obsessed with the Doctor

 

[PorthosShadow]

Come on, we all know that River Song is the (now reformed due to TEoT) Master.

He did always seem to be obsessed with the Doctor

Maybe he wants to know what it's it like to be one of those earth girls he plays with

 

[Photoman15]

Come on, we all know that River Song is the (now reformed due to TEoT) Master.

He did always seem to be obsessed with the Doctor

"and once you find out who I am, everything changes" - close to a quote from River Song

 

[Admiral_Young]

Now I can't get "Curse of the Fatal Death" out of my head. LOL.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Come on, we all know that River Song is the (now reformed due to TEoT) Master.

You joke, but imagine if River Song had a fob watch which she never opened because she knew it would ruin her life with the Doctor? And she herself had no idea who she really is? Imagine the day when she learnt what a fob watch is... That would add some layers to her character...

But out of the silly ideas I've read, I love most the one where she's actually the Doctor. I always wanted to become a woman and then seduce myself in the past, so that one fits my weird fantasies most. Come on, River Song is too awesome, she has to be the Doctor.

 

[JRoss]

I didn't misunderstand; I just really want River to actually have a decent background.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I didn't misunderstand; I just really want River to actually have a decent background.

The question is not so much what her actual background is, but how well it would play out. We were already told that there is something special in her background, and it is not that easy to create a decent one that is also special. And she's a good enough character without being special, so I wouldn't mind if the special thing about her remains simply her extraordinary time she had with the Doctor (which alone is pretty hard to live up to...). I'm much more longing to see many events that made the Doctor trust her completely, see their relationship grow in ways that are hard to imagine for the Doctor (especially this one), and see her gradually build up as that special girl, I don't want a single big revelation that would blow our minds all at once...

That's what I partially meant with my previous post. If it is ever revealed that she is a time lord that would be the big thing that I'm not too eager to see, but on the other hand, seeing her make that sacrifice to never learn about her own self and never become time lord again would make her character grow a lot. So while I don't like all these stories about her being Amy's daughter, about her being that little girl we saw regenerating, etc., it still gives you one way to improve her personality, which is much more important than whether she's human, time lord or genetically engineered jelly baby.

The most important thing is that the writers handle the details about the crime well...

 

[JRoss]

Well, too, all that flirting will turn really nasty if River is revealed as Amy's daughter. River is a finite character, whose end is known from her first appearance. I don't want to see a baby wasted in that way.

 

[intrinsical]

Speaking of River Song, is there any site on the web that has a collection of all the spoilers she has mentioned over many past episodes?