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Big Bang Theory, yes or no?

And I think folks defending the show are missing the difference between someone laughing "with you" vs "at you".
When a show like Who or Trek makes a meta-joke, like Riker over-explaining how the ship works to that Ferengi in "Rascals", that's laughing "with you". The only times I've seen this show, they're laughing "at you".

What I don't get is why you identify so much with the characters on the show as to define them as analogous to "you" when jokes are made at their expense. Sit-com characters are always exaggerated caricatures designed to elicit humour. They're not laughing "at you"; they're laughing "at Sheldon" (or whoever happens to the butt of the joke at the time).

Taking the humour to heart as a personal slight seems like over-reading the intent of the gags, as well as giving too little credit to the ability of most people around you to separate reality from fiction. In any event, they not even that insulting; generally, they're pretty mild pokes with some nuance.

In terms of influencing any sort of national or global perception of what SF-fans are like, then again, this only matters if someone is as extreme, narrow and socially-inept as the characters in the show. Assuming you have a more balanced life, it isn't going to make the blindest bit of difference how someone views you or indeed affect you in any sort of way. So I can't say that I see the practical problem.

I don't write the above to in any way suggest that you don't have the right to have your opinion; of course you do. But I think it's a shame in terms of your missing out on a few good gags and funny situations. :D


I meant to post this earlier cause I was already thinking about it, but yes, I get that it's a TV show. I get that they're caricatures. And folks can laugh at themselves, but like I said: this show is not laughing "with us at ourselves", it's laughing "at us while we laugh at ourselves". It's a crucial difference that I'm having trouble putting into words.

I guess my problem is the adoration it seems to get, as opposed to, say, a grudging respect for something like this pointing out our sillier aspects. It just seems far too mean to be taken as "friendly ribbing", more like the jock in the room giving you what he thinks is a lighthearted ribbing, but is in truth killing you on the inside, but you put on a brave face and laugh along because he's not shoving you into a locker.

I think I'm at risk of going round in circles but I'll try to explain my perspective once more as well, because currently it seems we're talking at cross-purposes to each other.

I know you "get", on a literal level, that this is a fictional TV show. But on an emotional level, you're still equating/identifying yourself with the characters enough to perceive the humour poked at their lives as being directed at you, and on a par with some sort of bullying. Beyond the fact that the characters like science fiction, I just can't see enough of me in them to view anything that happens to them as being in any way laughing at (or, for that matter, with) me. They too obviously caricatures for me to feel any emotional bond with them in that way.

Put it this way, I felt more of an emotional resonance with, say, Monica, Chandler, Frasier or Niles than I do with Leonard or Sheldon.

(The lack of any real emotional resonance is, incidentally, is why I don't rank BBT as one of the best sitcoms I've seen, just ranking it as pretty consistently funny.)

Anyway, hope that explains where I'm coming from, at least.
 
If you are honestly offended by The Big Bang Theory, you are probably in the same group that was actually offended by the William Shatner "Get A Life" skit on Saturday Night Live.

If this is the case: get the fuck over it already. Seriously.
 
Not a fan. The humour has never come across as particularly nerdy to me, more like the writers just insert a reference to something and then expect you to laugh. I also tend to dislike multi-camera sitcoms. They seem really stilted to me.

Also, if I want nerd humour, I'll go watch Community.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzPA5TLAYvE[/yt]
 
It's okay to like both The Big Bang Theory and Community. I enjoy both shows quite a bit. :techman:
If you are honestly offended by The Big Bang Theory, you are probably in the same group that was actually offended by the William Shatner "Get A Life" skit on Saturday Night Live.

If this is the case: get the fuck over it already. Seriously.
Word.
 
The show is absolutely hilarious. It's interesting that they have deliberately gone out of their way not to label Sheldon as someone with Aspergers when he so clearly is.

No, he's a false positive. This used to be called "being a nerd", before we started calling social awkwardness a disease.

Society labeling nerds as autistic is the "grown-up" version of what they already endured when they were called retarded on the playground, just with a contrived air of supposed legitimacy.
 
I don't think the people involved with the writing of the show fall into the "jock" category. The humor is not mean spirited either. Its the type of humor I get with I'm with friends. Friends who are actual geeks/nerds. It's the type of humor I often see right here at TrekBBS. A certain amount of the humor on the show comes at the expense of non-nerd Penny. Who is often mocked because of her profession (waitress), he intended profession (actress) and lack of education/intelligence.

Agreed. I don't get a mean-spirited vibe from the writing on the show. For the writers to be so spot-on with some of the jokes, they must have some familiarity with the topics. As mentioned above, I find it similar to Shatner's "Get a life" skit on SNL and the movie Galaxy Quest. Very recognizable spoofs of many fans' more extreme behaviors.

I often find myself identifying most with Leonard -- somewhat embarassed by the geeky actions of friends when out among the "mundanes", then realizing that I am also engaged in habits/hobbies that are equally geeky and out of the mainstream. But I am what I am, and like what I like. And that's OK. And it's funny to see those exagerated on TV or in the movies, especially when done well.

At least I'm not bare-chested and painted in team colors in sub-zero weather at a sporting event... :rofl:
 
If it didn't have the laugh track... I submit that it could be funnier. Sometimes the laugh track makes things pedantic (laughing at very small jokes that aren't funny) for TV shows and there might be more of a lasting social commentary without it.
 
The show is absolutely hilarious. It's interesting that they have deliberately gone out of their way not to label Sheldon as someone with Aspergers when he so clearly is.

No, he's a false positive. This used to be called "being a nerd", before we started calling social awkwardness a disease.

Society labeling nerds as autistic is the "grown-up" version of what they already endured when they were called retarded on the playground, just with a contrived air of supposed legitimacy.
People on the Internet self-diagnosing as Aspergers are what get me. If the ratio of people in "real life" had Aspergers was the as the ratio of people on the Internet who SAY they have it, life as we know it would probably come to a stand-still.
 
If it didn't have the laugh track... I submit that it could be funnier. Sometimes the laugh track makes things pedantic (laughing at very small jokes that aren't funny) for TV shows and there might be more of a lasting social commentary without it.
Did you even READ the rest of the thread? BBT is recorded before a LIVE studio audience. NO laughtrack. The producer is on record as HATING laughtracks.
 
I like the show. Some episodes are funnier than others. Some I laugh out loud, and a few haven't even tickled me. This is why TV works.

The humor is not entirely genial, but humor is about conflict, if not outright aggression, so how does that change anything?

Humor, like any other art, is subjective. But I personally disagree that it is about conflict. I think it is about observation, thoughtful perspectives, and first and foremost, about TRUTH.

Which is why BBT doesn't do it for me. It has nerd trappings and shoutouts galore, but no real truth about people. Just charicatures, and to molify the real nerds watching, they sometimes get laid (no different from any other generic sitcom).

But no, I disagree that humor is about aggression. That's just being mean with a laugh track. Not that it has to be nice. It can be dark, sharp, biting. But for that to work has humor, it has to also dwell in truth.

To me, BBT is no more true to nerds as the mock Tombstone put up by the Melkots in STTOS "Spectre of the Gun" was a real recreation of the Showdown At The OK Coral. It has bits and pieces, but falls apart of you look at it closely.

And not that I'm offended. Just it strikes me as unfunny charicatures, rather than true characters with depth, which is the case with most American sit-coms, which is why I don't enjoy many of them.

In fact, the American televised sitcoms I do enjoy are thus...Scrubs, WKRP in Cinncinnati, Newsradio, Wings...pretty much it.

But I would also add, I see some taking a sharp, dismissive tone at those who have expressed a dislike for the show. Seeing the OP, the poster was asking for opinions, not a BBT praise thread.

There's plenty to poke fun at in nerd culture. But, IMO, BBT just takes nerd trappings and puts them into the template of a typical American sitcom. Writes the characters first and foremost as joke deliverers, rather than as people who just happen to say funny things or end up in amusing situations.
 
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Wow, some people really need to pull the stick out of their arse and stop taking life, and themselves, so seriously.
 
Humor, like any other art, is subjective. But I personally disagree that it is about conflict. I think it is about observation, thoughtful perspectives, and first and foremost, about TRUTH.

Which is why BBT doesn't do it for me. It has nerd trappings and shoutouts galore, but no real truth about people. Just charicatures, and to molify the real nerds watching, they sometimes get laid (no different from any other generic sitcom).

But no, I disagree that humor is about aggression. That's just being mean with a laugh track. Not that it has to be nice. It can be dark, sharp, biting. But for that to work has humor, it has to also dwell in truth.

To me, BBT is no more true to nerds as the mock Tombstone put up by the Melkots in STTOS "Spectre of the Gun" was a real recreation of the Showdown At The OK Coral. It has bits and pieces, but falls apart of you look at it closely.

And not that I'm offended. Just it strikes me as unfunny charicatures, rather than true characters with depth, which is the case with most American sit-coms, which is why I don't enjoy many of them.

In fact, the American televised sitcoms I do enjoy are thus...Scrubs, WKRP in Cinncinnati, Newsradio, Wings...pretty much it.

But I would also add, I see some taking a sharp, dismissive tone at those who have expressed a dislike for the show. Seeing the OP, the poster was asking for opinions, not a BBT praise thread.

There's plenty to poke fun at in nerd culture. But, IMO, BBT just takes nerd trappings and puts them into the template of a typical American sitcom. Writes the characters first and foremost as joke deliverers, rather than as people who just happen to say funny things or end up in amusing situations.
This. :techman:
 
BBT just takes nerd trappings and puts them into the template of a typical American sitcom. Writes the characters first and foremost as joke deliverers, rather than as people who just happen to say funny things or end up in amusing situations.

That pretty much sums it up for me. I keep getting told that The Big Bang Theory is so amazing and different from other sitcoms. It's not. Sure, there's a few more geeky references thrown in, but the humour is pretty much the same as you'd find in Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond, or Two and a Half Men. It's very well done for a sitcom, but it's still just another lazy American sitcom.

Now Felicia Day's "The Guild". That's a show about geeks.
 
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To me, BBT is no more true to nerds as the mock Tombstone put up by the Melkots in STTOS "Spectre of the Gun" was a real recreation of the Showdown At The OK Coral. It has bits and pieces, but falls apart of you look at it closely.

OMG, what a nerdy thing to say!


;)
 
Well, if there was a show like TBBT in TBBT Universe, Sheldon would absolutely HATE it.

Come to think of it, that would make a hilarious episode...
 
TBBT is just a stereotypical shitty sit-com... It's found its niche for me as a show I can eat a burger and fries in front of while half paying attention. But if it got canceled and every recording of it spontaneously combusted ensuring that nobody would ever watch an episode again, it wouldn't bug me one bit.
 
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