Bibleman and superheros with religion?
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Isn't the Thing a bit old to be having a Bar Mitzvah? Unless he converted, I guess. I which case, I hope he was already circumcized, or else pity the poor mohel who has to use a jackhammer on Thing's thing!
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Sorry for bumping this thread but a comic book published from Kuwait titled the 99 has a team of superheroes whose powers were inspired by the 99 attributes of Allah.
However, the comic itself is not religion driven as the comic's creator Naif Al Mutawa stated that he left the religious views of the characters ambiguous since the 99 attributes are universal virtues and many of the heroes are from non-muslim cultures as well.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/art/blog/2009/03/its-a-bird-its-a-plane-its-the-99.html
However, the comic itself is not religion driven as the comic's creator Naif Al Mutawa stated that he left the religious views of the characters ambiguous since the 99 attributes are universal virtues and many of the heroes are from non-muslim cultures as well.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/art/blog/2009/03/its-a-bird-its-a-plane-its-the-99.html
I would have thought he was circumsized on Krypton, before he gained his powers.
If you have ever read Niel Gaimans portion of MIRACLEMAN, the vast majority of the people on earth worship MM as a GOD!
Isn't the Thing a bit old to be having a Bar Mitzvah? Unless he converted, I guess. I which case, I hope he was already circumcized, or else pity the poor mohel who has to use a jackhammer on Thing's thing!
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Ben Grimm was always Jewish, but was non-observant most his his adult life. When he returned to his religion, he decided that since his transformation into The Thing was a rebirth of sorts, he could start counting his age from that point, and get a second Bar Mitzvah when he turned thirteen again.
Thus, no Jackhammer circumcisions were necessary.
It's no big deal, but next time you can just start a new thread if you like. It's cool to try finding an existing thread to avoid some duplication, but when it goes back this far nobody will complain if you've started a new one.
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Both getting blown up by Super Mega Death Christ.
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Superman used to worship Rao, a/the Kryptonian god. How analogous Rao is to YHWH, I don't know.
Who knows who Billy Batson worships, if anyone. On one hand, he's got Zeus; on the other, Solomon. Then again, Solomon's wisdom isn't superhuman, and Zeus' power is, so I think I'd go with "pagan" for Captain Marvel.
The Spectre, on the other hand, and Zauriel and his buddies as well, lend overwhelming evidence against there not being a YHWH-like God that takes an especial interest in Earth--which seems strange. For example, you never see the Spectre giving the Oans shit, or the Angelic Host descending on Rann (and anyway, they would be mistaken for Thanagarians, and immediately Zeta beamed into the heart of the sun
). However, confirmed atheists like Mr. Terrific don't acknowledge the Spectre as evidence of a transcendental omnipotence, and treat him as an entity explicable, but through science that is not understood yet (in other words, like Dr. Fate).
On a carefully concealed third hand, 5th Dimensional imps like Mxyzptlk are at least powerful enough to bind the Spectre, if not outright destroy him. How they stack up to the Spectre's master is an open question. Maybe YHWH is friends with QWSP. And even if they're not, maybe the deity the 5th Dimension worships is better than the god the 4th dimension does.
In the Marvel universe, God existed once, and became the Infinity Gems. And yet the Living Tribunal still defers to someone above Eternity. So it's a little confusing, but at least the notional God in Marvel doesn't give a shit about Earth specifically and to exclusion of, say, the Kree or Shi'ar, isn't quite so bafflingly identified with Judeo-Christian iconography, and keeps a low profile.
Open question: if God cares enough to have the Spectre to defend us from, say, the collapse of the multiverse in COIE, why doesn't God just do something to stop the Anti-Monitor when the Spectre fails?
Then again, Ostrander's Spectre answers this in roundabout fashion: even the Spectre doesn't know the real source of the universe, or free will, or the soul, or whatever. Whatever brought the Spectre into being was something else. When he does meet "God," he's effectively just talking to himself... or, at best, the personification of humanity itself.
Who knows who Billy Batson worships, if anyone. On one hand, he's got Zeus; on the other, Solomon. Then again, Solomon's wisdom isn't superhuman, and Zeus' power is, so I think I'd go with "pagan" for Captain Marvel.
The Spectre, on the other hand, and Zauriel and his buddies as well, lend overwhelming evidence against there not being a YHWH-like God that takes an especial interest in Earth--which seems strange. For example, you never see the Spectre giving the Oans shit, or the Angelic Host descending on Rann (and anyway, they would be mistaken for Thanagarians, and immediately Zeta beamed into the heart of the sun
). However, confirmed atheists like Mr. Terrific don't acknowledge the Spectre as evidence of a transcendental omnipotence, and treat him as an entity explicable, but through science that is not understood yet (in other words, like Dr. Fate).On a carefully concealed third hand, 5th Dimensional imps like Mxyzptlk are at least powerful enough to bind the Spectre, if not outright destroy him. How they stack up to the Spectre's master is an open question. Maybe YHWH is friends with QWSP. And even if they're not, maybe the deity the 5th Dimension worships is better than the god the 4th dimension does.
In the Marvel universe, God existed once, and became the Infinity Gems. And yet the Living Tribunal still defers to someone above Eternity. So it's a little confusing, but at least the notional God in Marvel doesn't give a shit about Earth specifically and to exclusion of, say, the Kree or Shi'ar, isn't quite so bafflingly identified with Judeo-Christian iconography, and keeps a low profile.
Open question: if God cares enough to have the Spectre to defend us from, say, the collapse of the multiverse in COIE, why doesn't God just do something to stop the Anti-Monitor when the Spectre fails?
Then again, Ostrander's Spectre answers this in roundabout fashion: even the Spectre doesn't know the real source of the universe, or free will, or the soul, or whatever. Whatever brought the Spectre into being was something else. When he does meet "God," he's effectively just talking to himself... or, at best, the personification of humanity itself.
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Superman can't be Jewish. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't want him eradicted from the face of the earth.
Superman's from Kansas so more then likely he's a Methodist.
The Spectre, on the other hand, and Zauriel and his buddies as well, lend overwhelming evidence against there not being a YHWH-like God that takes an especial interest in Earth--which seems strange. For example, you never see the Spectre giving the Oans shit, or the Angelic Host descending on Rann (and anyway, they would be mistaken for Thanagarians, and immediately Zeta beamed into the heart of the sun
YHWH was the supreme God was the DC universe, also known as The Presence. He isn't any more. He retired and gave his job to a teenage girl. That's canon.
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Don't forget, the Justice League had an actual ANGEL among it's ranks for awhile.
Then there's Sabra, the Israeli Super Soldier. Vance Astrovik is known to be Jewish. Storm is a follower of some sort of African goddess cult. Seth (Set) is an Egyptian god. Mephisto is said to rule a portion of Hell. The Ghost Rider's powers are demonic in nature.
I'm sure there are more.
The crossover "Infinity Crusade" dealt a lot with the religion of the Marvel heroes, I think.
I seem to recall that in a lot of Marvel comics a lot has been made of Firebird's (Avengers member) Christianity. Specifically, her mixed feelings about working alongside Thor, who fancies himself a god.
I seem to recall that in a lot of Marvel comics a lot has been made of Firebird's (Avengers member) Christianity. Specifically, her mixed feelings about working alongside Thor, who fancies himself a god.
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The Spectre, on the other hand, and Zauriel and his buddies as well, lend overwhelming evidence against there not being a YHWH-like God that takes an especial interest in Earth--which seems strange. For example, you never see the Spectre giving the Oans shit, or the Angelic Host descending on Rann (and anyway, they would be mistaken for Thanagarians, and immediately Zeta beamed into the heart of the sun
YHWH was the supreme God was the DC universe, also known as The Presence. He isn't any more. He retired and gave his job to a teenage girl. That's canon.
Then who's the dude that Superman calls "High Father" that resides behind the source wall?
And then there's the subject of whether Jack Kirby is God. But I promise I won't get into that here. Nope. Won't even bring it up.
The Spectre, on the other hand, and Zauriel and his buddies as well, lend overwhelming evidence against there not being a YHWH-like God that takes an especial interest in Earth--which seems strange. For example, you never see the Spectre giving the Oans shit, or the Angelic Host descending on Rann (and anyway, they would be mistaken for Thanagarians, and immediately Zeta beamed into the heart of the sun
YHWH was the supreme God was the DC universe, also known as The Presence. He isn't any more. He retired and gave his job to a teenage girl. That's canon.
Huh. It wasn't Black Alice, was it?
Elaine Belloc.
It occurs at the end of the Vertigo series Lucifer, which was spun off of Sandman. Most Vertigo series are treated as self-contained universes unconnected to DC proper, but Sandman is an exception. Though generally segregated from the superheroes, Sandman is confirmed to make place in the mainstream DC Universe. Because Lucifer takes place in the Sandman universe, it takes place in the DC Universe, just a corner of that universe that superheroes rarely interact with, and other appearances of the Christian devil in DC have been retconned as appearance of Vertigo's Lucifer.
The funny thing is that Hellblazer, which has an apparently contradictory cosmology, also takes place in its own corner of the mainstream DC universe, and Constantine has even appeared in Lucifer.
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