Spoilers Beyond Uniforms

[jamestyler]

I guess my issue is they spent all the time and effort making alternate costumes/uniforms for random tasks and situation that did really require a separate uniform, like starbase, shuttle, and multiple formal ground uniforms, while neglecting to add uniforms that would have made sense like the white engineer radiation suits or the security guard armor from the TOS Movies.

Snipped as I didn't want to quote a lot of text - but if you have free time at any stage, take a search for US Navy uniforms in use right now. There's more spacey-ness in Trek's gear, but it matches up to the real world quite nicely - on a military perspective with TV, Stargates the best example. They have casual, mission and utility-ish outfits (as well as others). It's all perfectly normal and routine - and I'm glad Star Trek's finally able to replicate that reality.

I'm not aware of multiple dress uniforms
You have duty, cadet uniform, instructor uniform and dress uniform in ST 09. In ST ID there is a little more variety with the dress uniform (gray cap), Admiral's uniform (nice nod to TMP) gray utility uniform and duty uniform. The utility jumpsuit seemed to be treated similarly to camo fatigues of the US military when used for travel. Dress uniforms are not generally used for travel due to being for special occasions, usually having stricter rules as to when they are to be worn.

It depends. What we've seen in Trek so far - especially the bright white TNG movie era - feel more like the dinner dress type of things while the STID officers ground looks like the regular dress blues used for travel, official stuffs etc.

So roughly in my head compared to 'real world'.....
- The ground uniform = BDU's
- STID Formals = Dress blues
- Yorktown outfits = the jumpsuity working uniforms

....and somewhere in there we have 'space' uniforms (could be compared to the regular short-sleeve types?), the industrial wear and specialist stuffs (medical, survival etc).

Little details like registry numbers I care not about - uniforms.... way too much thought

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Given that the standard shipboard uniform (TOS uni) might be assumed to be equivalent to USMC FROG gear and similar (or at least it should be given typical usage), then I think the same shirt, pants and boots could be used in most temperate environments (say 10-30C) shipboard, planetside or on-bases by accessorising it with different jacket options ('escape pod' jacket for surface ops, suit jacket for 'meeting the brass') for officers and most enlisted (security, engineers and fighter/test pilots might prefer a one-piece jumpsuit as their working uniform but would probably keep at least one 'service dress' version of the officer uniform for formal occassions (esp CPOs and above).

 

[Cyke101]

I like the Beyond uniforms but it just looks too formal whereas the previous ones from 2009 and Into Darkness looked really casual.

I agree with all this, but it just also struck me that, as casual as the '09 uniforms looked vs. the formal look of the Beyond uniforms, it seems like the Beyond uniforms are made of more traditional fabric while the casual everyday '09 uniforms look like they're made of more complicated material. Funny that.

Anyway, they'll probably just stick with the Beyond uniforms for the next movie. We just got them!

 

[JoeZhang]

Did anyone notice that in one shot (of I think the video)that Edison seemed to be wearing what was either the under-shirt to the uniform that Spock changed into or yet another uniform?

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, there are separate gray dress uniforms and brown dress uniforms in addition to flag officers dress uniforms that Pike wore. There are also 4 duty uniforms (5 if you count the new ST:B one), one for space, one for the ground, and two for Flag Officers (one that Admiral Marcus and others wore that was similar to the Dress Uniform and one that Admiral Barnett and other Admirals wore).
Here's the complete list for the first two movies:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(alternate_reality)

I still am not seeing the "ground" duty one that you are referring too

The brown dress uniforms are interesting and the ones with the sash could be compared with a color guard uniform of contemporary military.

That list is a great job and I love the variety, especially for specific jobs (medical, engineering, etc). I do agree with another point that you made regarding security having armor. That would have been nice to see, especially in ST ID.

So, I don't see it as much of an issue. I see it as replicating what real world militaries do. It feels more realistic.
The flag officer uniforms are divided on the page between line officers (Marcus, PIke) and Academy flag officers. I would compare the Academy ones, like Admiral Barnett, Komack and others at Kirk's board as being like the traditional graduation stoles that show academic accomplishment. At least, that was my take away.

Snipped as I didn't want to quote a lot of text - but if you have free time at any stage, take a search for US Navy uniforms in use right now. There's more spacey-ness in Trek's gear, but it matches up to the real world quite nicely - on a military perspective with TV, Stargates the best example. They have casual, mission and utility-ish outfits (as well as others). It's all perfectly normal and routine - and I'm glad Star Trek's finally able to replicate that reality.



It depends. What we've seen in Trek so far - especially the bright white TNG movie era - feel more like the dinner dress type of things while the STID officers ground looks like the regular dress blues used for travel, official stuffs etc.

So roughly in my head compared to 'real world'.....
- The ground uniform = BDU's
- STID Formals = Dress blues
- Yorktown outfits = the jumpsuity working uniforms

....and somewhere in there we have 'space' uniforms (could be compared to the regular short-sleeve types?), the industrial wear and specialist stuffs (medical, survival etc).

Little details like registry numbers I care not about - uniforms.... way too much thought

I love the details and discussion. Bring on the too much thought

I tend to agree with you that these dress uniforms feel far more workable, and less restrictive than previous iterations. We don't hear the complaint that McCoy made in TOS: Journey to Babel that it made his neck feel like it was in a noose, or something to that effect.

Just give me some combat armor and I think they are good to go. Or, even better, a slight variation on the Yorkdown uniform but with a harness similar to the "Cage" landing party harness or Hazard Team uniform to create a more "special forces" type of a look.

 

[Sector 7]

I voted for the TOS, especially Beyond uniforms. The new uni is flexible... and appropriate for diplomatic mission. The TNG similarity fits with that type of mission. It looks very good in both outdoor and indoor lighting.

After watching Adam Savage's video, I believe they have finally created a comfortable uniform for the actors which also looks great onscreen. And to think, it only took 50 years to accomplish!

As for the "away team" jackets, I always assumed their thickness included armor.

 

[TheSubCommander]

Personally, I think they should stick with the STB uniforms. I like them! And keep the dress white\gray uniforms from STID.

We all know what the uniforms have to look like in the next movie. It's time to give in and embrace the Decker Unit.

For ages 13 and above?

I don't know....Stephen Collins does like 'em young!

 

[USS Firefly]

Well the quality of the new uniforms are worthless, as seen in the opening scenes of Beyond

 

[jamestyler]

Just give me some combat armor and I think they are good to go. Or, even better, a slight variation on the Yorkdown uniform but with a harness similar to the "Cage" landing party harness or Hazard Team uniform to create a more "special forces" type of a look.

I wouldn't mind a hazard team outfit. Hopefully one thats a bit less comical than the original movies version Combat armour I'm not sure of. I think it's a logical addition to the collection if it's needed for a sequence or something, but even Star Trek Online's feels a bit more 'Mass Effect' than Trek.

I get the feeling we'd never need to see anything more than a space suit the way Trek is going, but it would have been a nice step of logic for Spock/Kirk to have somethnig a little stronger than a jumper when they went to the Naranda.

I'm talking norm temps you can beam down in ship duty uni when you are asking the Hulkans for some of their crystals vs. Changing unis every 2 mins lol

Look at the cage and twok - cold grab a jacket. Again I loved Kirk's Yorktown uni and survival gear in kelvin pods makes sense might want to blend in a bit better but I get the idea

Could be worse - Quark and Odo had survival suits (well, one!) in DS9. Shiney silver - thankfully they weren't on a hostile planet with that massive target on their backs

 

[imranbecks]

Hope to see replicas of the Beyond uniform made. Will probably get myself a set!

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Hope to see replicas of the Beyond uniform made. Will probably get myself a set!

Me too they looked great

 

[Lance]

I like the visual variety the three-colors give, and to me kitting everybody out in red is (in some ways) just as bland and uninteresting as everybody wearing grey or everybody wearing beige. So, no, I'd definitely prefer they keep the current look. And furthermore, the cast all look great in them. Why change it?

 

[Neumann]

I think that Pine would looks better in green or blue or red. That's one of the reasons why his hair was dyed so yellow in ID. A modern take on the wraparound would be cool.

Now that I come to think about it. What did they come up with the wraparound in the first place?

 

[Lynn Minmay]

Those jackets were BAD ASS.

I'd buy a replica if it were in the $125-$150 range.

 

[JoeP]

Those jackets were BAD ASS.

I'd buy a replica if it were in the $125-$150 range.

You're looking at $575:
http://www.trektoday.com/content/2016/07/anovos-to-offer-beyond-survival-jacket/

 

[fireproof78]

I wouldn't mind a hazard team outfit. Hopefully one thats a bit less comical than the original movies version Combat armour I'm not sure of. I think it's a logical addition to the collection if it's needed for a sequence or something, but even Star Trek Online's feels a bit more 'Mass Effect' than Trek.

I get the feeling we'd never need to see anything more than a space suit the way Trek is going, but it would have been a nice step of logic for Spock/Kirk to have somethnig a little stronger than a jumper when they went to the Naranda.

Having studied a variety of Starfleet armor for various RPs over the years, I can comfortable say that I think that the Beyond uniforms offer the best base to form a new design that allows armor to be appropriate for Star Trek, rather than borrowed from various properties.

I think that Pine would looks better in green or blue or red. That's one of the reasons why his hair was dyed so yellow in ID. A modern take on the wraparound would be cool.

Now that I come to think about it. What did they come up with the wraparound in the first place?

It was for "The Enemy Within" to distinguish the two Kirks.

 

[Neumann]

Thanks. The Other thing for me at least is that the green wraparound is associated with kick ass episodes - a good luck charm

 

[mattman8907]

I hope they keep the off-world uniform. that was pretty cool.

 

[Jedman67]

From XI and ID, I imagined the grey/brown 'ground uniforms' to be equivalent to the US 'Class A' uniform, i.e. suit/tie uniform (dress blues?). The colored space uniforms fit into the navy's undress tans (now blues) every day function, casual and comfortable for ship wear. Shuttles and pilots should have a variety of all-temperature unis and survival gear stashed in an onboard locker.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Hope to see replicas of the Beyond uniform made. Will probably get myself a set!

Anovos is making them: https://www.anovos.com/collections/star-trek-50th-anniversary