Anything with any megaton-size weapon could take out the swarm. Even pre-warp civilization, armed with only chemical-powered neutron-tipped missiles could blast Kraal armada into oblivion.
I rather doubt that. Big guns don't harm big starships in Trek; Krall's craft do harm big starships. Big guns level mountains in Trek; starships level mountains, too. Megatons probably would just tickle these small craft that can penetrate mountain-leveling starship hulls with ease.
the ship is not. See, that would only be a valid point of Yorktown's defenses ACTUALLY PREVAILED.
False. It suffices that Yorktown fared orders of magnitude better than should have been expected, meaning there were factors separating it from the Enterprise. This invalidates "our defenses" as applying to the UFP, and defines it as applying to NCC-1701 specifically.
it's like saying it takes pride of lions longer to eat an elephant than a zebra and then implying elephants are better evolved to fight lions. It doesn't work that way.
But it very specifically does: elephants are more or less invulnerable to lions because they have specific anti-lion defenses (not clever Federation-style ones but brute force ones) that makes it highly unlikely a pride of lions would bother to attack an elephant. Or a giraffe, for that matter. We can't tell for sure whether being an elephant or a giraffe is an adaptation against predation by big cats, but it achieves that very effect in practice.
Now, a pride a thousand lions strong might change that game. But that would be a completely different issue. Elephants can cope better with prides than zebras can. Yorktown can cope with swarms better than NCC-1701 can. Add overkill, and the goalposts are changed; the "better evolved" issue does not get contested.
Krall's superior because he has a whole hell of a lot of drones and, more importantly, because his attacks are TAILORED to defeat Starfleet defenses.
Umm, not. Krall is not in a position to tailor anything. He only controls Ancient assets in the sense of being able to tell them what to do; he cannot change anything about the nature of those assets except for micromanaging certain attack formations. And such micromanaging mattered not at all in the fight against the Enterprise, because that ship fell instantly; and also not at all in the fight against Yorktown, because that attack was going extremely poorly in relation, failing to achieve the desired penetration despite the much better numerical odds on Krall's side.
Starfleet could not have beaten him through sheer force alone because Krall already has overwhelming force and knows all of their weaknesses.
Krall is whittling away his single-planet force in a series of attacks against a galactic empire that can replenish its assets. His knowledge may be current, but his fighting skills are a century out of date. His advantage thus isn't remarkable qualitatively, and quantity isn't going to stay on his side indefinitely.
They were literally SECONDS from penetration when Franklin intervened.
Again, this establishes that the Yorktown was coping much better than it had any right to, were it equipped with what the Enterprise was in qualitative terms.
The fact that they had more firepower and more shield power delayed the inevitable, but it was DEFINITELY inevitable.
No disagreement there. This bears very little relevance to the fact that Starfleet wasn't qualitatively unable to cope with swarm attacks from the get-go. It was, as evidenced by the Yorktown fight. It just didn't guarantee victory, any more than the ability to build Panzerfausts would guarantee victory against a massive Soviet tank invasion - the point being that such defeat would not establish an inability to build Panzerfausts and cope with smaller tank invasions.
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