Just finished my year long journey of Next Gen from Farpoint to Nemesis last night. For all the "flaws" everyone says it has I love it and find it to be a perfect bookend to TNG. The tone really feels like the finally journey for the TNG family. Anyhow, I always wrap up the movie with the deleted scene of Cmdr. Maddox coming on board to be the new first officer(I know, Worf should've been first officer!). I like the humor of how Captain Riker signs off the screen. And I like the idea of wrapping on the bridge with the crew heading out to space yet again in that the journey does continue (though I could probably do without the chair gag, oh well). I just don't like leaving the ship in spacedock with Picard walking down the hall ending. I just think with a bit of retooling that would've been a much better ending.
Better Nemesis Ending
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Well if you count the "ending" as everything that happens past the opening credits of the movie, I'm sure there are LOADS of better "endings".
That's assuming that the scene with Commander Madden would be like some sort of magic balm that soothes the wounds of the 110 minutes of UTTER CRAP we just had to sit through. A good ending doesn't make up for the fact that there needed to be a better Nemesis movie preceding it.
My point 'xactly. :thumbsup:
Nemesis Extended Ending It's quite good. 
I'm still mad at Paramount for hiring a guy that knows nothing nor cares about Star Trek to direct the last TNG movie.
I'm still mad at Paramount for hiring a guy that knows nothing nor cares about Star Trek to direct the last TNG movie.
Charles Trip Tucker III said:
I'm still mad at Paramount for hiring a guy that knows nothing nor cares about Star Trek to direct the last TNG movie.
I was shocked to see his name in the opening credits of the lastest 007 movie, which might easily be the worst Bond movie ever. I say "might" because I still have not finished watching it. I fell asleep after one hour of mindless and boring action sequences. Does anything interesting happen in the second hour?
To be fair, that's not Stuart Baird's fault. He fucked up Nemesis, but with "Casino Royal" he was just an editor.
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Admiral
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I personally enjoy "Casino Royale," and consider it to be one of my Top 5 Bond films out of the 21 that have been released so far. It was just the shot in the arm they needed!
I personally enjoy "Casino Royale," and consider it to be one of my Top 5 Bond films out of the 21 that have been released so far. It was just the shot in the arm they needed!
Stuart Baird is a good editor with an impressive list of credits in that category, including The Who's Tommy, The Omen, Superman: The Movie, Gorillas in the Mist, and the first two Lethal Weapon films, as well as Casino Royale. Unfortunately, not every editor makes a good director.
They definitely shouldn't have killed him off...Kurtman said:
Agreed. I loved DataThe Borg Queen said:
Well if you count the "ending" as everything that happens past the opening credits of the movie, I'm sure there are LOADS of better "endings".
I don't mind that they killed him off, what I mind is that they did it in a movie that was ultimately terrible, and in a fashion that left us with yet another reset-button, escapable death (in this case, Data living on through his "Forrest Gump" brother B-4).
The Wrath of Khan did it first, and it did it better.
The Wrath of Khan did it first, and it did it better.
Having just watched Nemesis again, I definitely have to agree with SAndrews10 and the opinion that the alternate ending was much, much better than the one they finally chose to use. The sense of the overall journey of the Enterprise continuing was much more fulfilling than the ending that specifically focused on how one character was, in a sense, continuing to live. I've found it a little bothersome at times how much the franchise has shifted focus to Picard and Data, so at least the alternative ending provided a little broader scope.
I liked the alternate ending, too.
However, Nemesis as a whole was too slow and there wasn't enough dynamicism to keep audiences involved. Compare First Contact with Nemesis and the difference in pacing is clear. In both movies, the existence of the Federation is in peril; however, in Nemesis, it's much harder to care.
I frankly think that the alternative ending could also have been shortened, as well. The scene with Worf and Geordi could have been cut in half. The Riker joke from beginning to end could have been shortened by a good 30 seconds. However, I would keep the last scene (of Picard saying the last line) and the "beauty shots" of the Enterprise intact.
However, Nemesis as a whole was too slow and there wasn't enough dynamicism to keep audiences involved. Compare First Contact with Nemesis and the difference in pacing is clear. In both movies, the existence of the Federation is in peril; however, in Nemesis, it's much harder to care.
I frankly think that the alternative ending could also have been shortened, as well. The scene with Worf and Geordi could have been cut in half. The Riker joke from beginning to end could have been shortened by a good 30 seconds. However, I would keep the last scene (of Picard saying the last line) and the "beauty shots" of the Enterprise intact.
I like this shorter version, made by the same person, even better.
Forget Nemesis, I liked the ending for Voyager made by the same guy that did the Nemesis ending, funny stuff!
I thought that the alternate ending was better...overall though I agree there were so many flaws with Nemesis.
Admiral Young
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I don't like that the Picard/B4 scene was removed.
I think that having the B4 scene is pretty important, myself. With B4 around, it's like we have Data's identical twin.
However, B4 is no Data. It was horrible having Data die. Maybe subconsciously, that's why I have such a mixed opinion of Nemesis.
In sci-fi, they can always resurrect characters, that much is true. Spock "came back from the dead", so to speak.
That reminds me -- in the alternate ending, Geordi finds that chip; is this the emotion chip? Or maybe it's a chip that contains the entirety of Data's consciousness? Even if it's just the first, that's an improvement over the theatrical ending.
Still, there will never be another Data.
... Except, maybe, in a parallel universe...?
However, B4 is no Data. It was horrible having Data die. Maybe subconsciously, that's why I have such a mixed opinion of Nemesis.
In sci-fi, they can always resurrect characters, that much is true. Spock "came back from the dead", so to speak.
That reminds me -- in the alternate ending, Geordi finds that chip; is this the emotion chip? Or maybe it's a chip that contains the entirety of Data's consciousness? Even if it's just the first, that's an improvement over the theatrical ending.
Still, there will never be another Data.
... Except, maybe, in a parallel universe...?
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