Better Call Saul, the TV series

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  1. Finngle Bells

    Finngle Bells Bad Batch of TrekBBS Admiral

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    I wonder if there are inmates there who felt Saul screwed them over. There are bound to be more than a few over the years.
     
  2. StarMan

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    I double-checked; no wedding ring. Marrying Mr. "Yep Yep Yep" would've been too much to bear. :lol:

    Engrossing, sublime and unexpected. That exceeded my expectations, as well as my best-case scenario ending.

    The cast at the end saying thank you was a perfect pick-me-up after those final scenes.
     
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  3. The Mariah Has Awoken

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    Saul was probably doomed to eventually be recognized. But he had several opportunities to walk away and at least escape longer.

    He also overestimated his ability to manipulate frail old women due to the women he dealt with at Sandpiper.
     
  4. Saul

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    It seemed to me in the last few episodes that this was all about the choices he made, he chose to help Walt, he chose to start a new con. He is the victim of himself.
    I kinda blame Kim too though, she was the one who wanted to destroy Howard and pushed Saul into it. She left Saul after Howard was killed, leading Saul to become the person we know from breaking bad and finally Saul/Jimmy throws away 7 years for 86 to be redeemed in her eyes,
     
  5. Set Harth

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    He was undone by greed. After dealing with the cabbie situation in "Nippy" he could have chilled out but he 'broke bad' and got back in the game. Even when he was in Cancer Guy's house there was a point where he had done the main stuff and could have left before the cops showed up, but he went too far. I guess even if that hadn't happened some later iteration of the scam would have eventually gone wrong, though.
     
  6. 137th Gebirg

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    Some folks are of the philosophy that "all criminals eventually want to get caught". They want to take their game and/or renown to the next level, get more flamboyant in their M.O. as to make them more easy to identify, pushing the boundaries to see hoe far they can go, etc., knowing that one day it will all be over.

    While this may be true in some cases, I think it's a lot less wanting to get caught, but just getting tired, sloppy, and/or complacent. The con becomes old-hat, like doing the same thing every day like a job, or driving the same road for years, almost zoning-out and entering a moment of almost Zen-like detachment. You become so wrote in your routine you absent-mindedly miss that beat cop hanging out on the street corner eating his morning donut and drinking the coffee, watching you do your thing, then it's done.

    I think Saul just got tired. He wasn't lying when he said he lost everything. He was finished - literally and figuratively.
     
  7. Set Harth

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    I feel like it was fitting to have a car so prominently featured in the episode promo because this was kind of the El Camino of BCS episodes.
     
  8. Chilli

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    Not sure she was supposed to be wearing purple, though. On Breaking Bad, they had her dressing all in black from the moment she learned of Hank's death, and I understood the traumatic transformation symbolized by her wardrobe change to be a permanent one.
     
  9. 137th Gebirg

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    I was wondering about that. Makes sense she would still be wearing black, though.

    Did anyone notice the spot-coloring at the end, with Kim & Saul's cigarette cherries being yellowish-orange when she came to see him? It was subtle, but it was definitely there. Aside from the flashbacks, I don't recall ever seeing any other colorization during the "present day" segments.
     
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  10. Saul

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    Yep, noticed it. Nice touch. I get the feeling I've seen it before though. Maybe Sin City? But it wasn't obvious.

    There's also the whole "what was I thinking?!" line he says when he finally gets caught. How many of us have done a really stupid thing and afterwards said that? Before and after the action we knew it was a stupid thing to do but in the moment, at the time, we just went ahead and did it. After, we are kicking ourselves.
     
  11. 137th Gebirg

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    Yep, definitely. A lot of those kinds of people also reflexively say "I'm sorry", but in reality they're saying "I'm sorry I got caught". I think Saul may have been one of those. Had he not been made by Carol Burnett's character and caught in quite an (almost unbelievably) effective police dragnet, he'd have kept on going, I'm sure.
     
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  12. Starkers

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    Amen to that!

    I agree, it has felt a little anticlimactic, but I'm not sure we could have got anything better that wouldn't have completely jumped the shark in some way, Jimmy getting away? Going to trial and going full Saul? Getting killed? I think this was as perfect as we were going to get.

    Yes, I'm not sure if she'll quit her job, but I hope at least she quits that man! It's a great ending for her.

    I think what he did meant the DA would no longer sit on the Howard thing, Jimmy seemed to suggest he'd lied to the Feds about her, I dunno there must have been something in there to help her in some way.

    Anyway I am really gonna miss this show. Shame we didn't see Nacho and Howard in some way as they were as much a strength of the show as Mike or Chuck, I guess no Fring either.

    Not sure if it was intentional but when Jimmy was talking about Chuck in the court I liked that the camera shifted to below the exit sign and we heard the buzz of electricity.

    86 years! At least the skills he learned as Gene are serving him well, and as many of us said, he is the kind of guy who will thrive in prison, he has notoriety but more than that he's still useful.

    So do we think that's the first and last time Kim will visit him?
     
  13. Starkers

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    I think the one thing about Saul was that he gave you 100%, maybe some people might think he got them sent down but I think most people would recognise that even if they still got convicted, he likely got them a lighter sentence at least.
     
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  14. Finngle Bells

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    I’m not so sure they were all so enlightened.
     
  15. Starkers

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    Maybe not but it's clear a lot of people would treat him as a prison celebrity, the guy has the gift of the gab. People tend to like him and that offers protection. I'd worry after ten years when no one coming in knows who the fuck Saul Goodman is.
     
  16. Finngle Bells

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    By then, he should be well established in there with new “Huells” and a reputation that would be explained to the newbies.

    Like Red….
     
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  17. The Scrooge Doctor

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    Oh, I meant to check for that and completely forgot. Thank the gods she hasn't married that guy. :lol:

    I completely missed it until I saw it pointed out somewhere else. I just went back and watched it again. Pretty damn subtle but such a lovely touch. And you're right, there hasn't been any other colorization which really highlights that one bit of color.

    I noticed that immediately. I thought that was a very cool callback.

    86 years! At least the skills he learned as Gene are serving him well, and as many of us said, he is the kind of guy who will thrive in prison, he has notoriety but more than that he's still useful.

    I think we're definitely made to wonder about that based on the way she kept looking back to Jimmy. Plus, there's the face she willingly used her New Mexico license despite that being illegal. She still has that urge to live on the edge despite, or because of, her very mundane life now.
     
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  18. The Mariah Has Awoken

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    He certainly didn't want to get caught before Breaking Bad was over. He only wanted to get caught in Geneville because he was miserable and lonely.

    I don't think Jimmy feels bad for most of the stuff he did, but I think there's a few specific things he did feel bad about. He doesn't feel bad for tearing Chuck down to protect his bar certification, but he does feel bad for not walking away and rubbing salt in the wound with the malpractice insurance. He doesn't feel bad for most of his crimes, but he feels bad for hurting Kim.

    I tend to think Kim will visit him again, because I don't think she can really stay away. The callback to episode 1 symbolized their relationship resetting to what it was at that point. Friends who care about each other. They went back in a time machine.
     
  19. StarMan

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    I'd like to say yes. I doubt it was a definitive goodbye, but it was a goodbye. The finger guns I read as go get 'em, live a good life, be happy etc.

    The flame's pop of color was a nice touch as Jimmy steadied her hands.
     
  20. 1001001

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    In the scene with Carol Burnet when she confronts him with one of his own commercials, the reflection in his glasses is in color.
     
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