Best Trek show ever!

[Nakita Akita]

Okay my lust for Captain Picard aside,
I just watched the best Trek show I think I have ever seen!
I'm not sure of the title, but it is a TOS two parter.
It stared Captain Pike! I remember seeing about the first few minutes of the show when I was very young, but the "burn"
Makeup on captain Pike I think scared me and I never watched the rest of the episode.
The episode is what Trek should have always been! A female 1st officer!
That is amazing. The women on the ship wore the same or mostly the same uniform as the men! That was almost impossible in every trek show after this one.
I'm impressed.
I'm not sure if this was an early episode or not. I wish they had done the rest of the episodes like this one. I think if the show had been like this episode it would have had the potential to change society. Honestly, I actually believe this. Television was and still is a huge platform, this show had the potential to take women to a level above eye candy. Seeing a woman as the second in command would have been way more empowering than mini skirts.
Okay, I'm done.
Please, everyone explain how I'm wrong.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It was the original pilot, which was recut into a two part episode called "The Menagerie". The actual episode was never aired during TOS's original run.

 

[Nakita Akita]

I was the original pilot, which was recut into a two part episode called "The Menagerie". The actual episode was never aired during TOS's original run.

Wow, that's weird.
I wonder why they took the show and so radically changed it?
The pilot show them was totally different.
It would have been a fantastic show.
When I was a little kid watching the re-runs, THAT is the way I envisioned the show was.
Not the one that it is where the women are so inconsequential.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wow, that's weird.
I wonder why they took the show and so radically changed it?
The pilot show them was totally different.
It would have been a fantastic show.
When I was a little kid watching the re-runs, THAT is the way I envisioned the show was.
Not the one that it is where the women are so inconsequential.

The network didn't like the pilot or a lot of cast. But they saw some potential and ordered a second pilot. "Where No Man Has Gone Before". You might want to check that one out. It also has women in pants

 

[Spock's Barber]

I think GR did a masterful job writing a script that inserted the footage from The Cage into the additional story material of The Menagerie.

 

[Armus]

Okay my list for Captain Picard aside,
I just watched the best Trek show I think I have ever seen!
I'm not sure of the title, but it is a TOS two parter.
It stared Captain Pike! I remember seeing about the first few minutes of the show when I was very young, but the "burn"
Makeup on captain Pike I think scared me and I never watched the rest of the episode.
The episode is what Trek should have always been! A female 1st officer!
That is amazing. The women on the ship wore the same or mostly the same uniform as the men! That was almost impossible in every trek show after this one.
I'm impressed.
I'm not sure if this was an early episode or not. I wish they had done the rest of the episodes like this one. I think if the show had been like this episode it would have had the potential to change society. Honestly, I actually believe this. Television was and still is a huge platform, this show had the potential to take women to a level above eye candy. Seeing a woman as the second in command would have been way more empowering than mini skirts.
Okay, I'm done.
Please, everyone explain how I'm wrong.

The Menagerie Two Parter is a great episode, very dramatic and gripping television. It's moving to see Spock risk everything to help his former Captain. And yes it's nice to see women in real uniforms not dated mini skirts!

 

[Spock's Barber]

The network didn't like the pilot or a lot of cast. But they saw some potential and ordered a second pilot.

I feel very fortunate that the network executives saw some potential in Trek, otherwise that would have been death for the Star Trek universe as we know it now.

 

[Nakita Akita]

The network didn't like the pilot or a lot of cast. But they saw some potential and ordered a second pilot. "Where No Man Has Gone Before". You might want to check that one out. It also has women in pants

I liked everyone of the cast. I didn't like the doctor at first but in all reality he acted a lot like McCoy.
I can't imagine how different everything would have been if the shows had been like that one.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I liked everyone of the cast. I didn't like the doctor at first but in all reality he acted a lot like McCoy.
I can't imagine how different everything would have been if the shows had been like that one.

The Captain and Doctor are pretty much Kirk and McCoy with different names. A lot of what would become Spock was taken from Number One.

 

[Armus]

I liked everyone of the cast. I didn't like the doctor at first but in all reality he acted a lot like McCoy.
I can't imagine how different everything would have been if the shows had been like that one.

I think Rodenberry said that the studio wanted more humor, more action, and to take advantage of color tvs, they added more color to the sets and the uniforms. I think the look of The Cage is less dated than the subsequent episodes.

 

[Spock's Barber]

I liked everyone of the cast. I didn't like the doctor at first but in all reality he acted a lot like McCoy.

IIRC, the network objected to the age difference between Dr. Piper and Kirk. They wanted someone who was more a mentor than a grandfather.

 

[Nakita Akita]

IIRC, the network objected to the age difference between Dr. Piper and Kirk. They wanted someone who was more a mentor than a grandfather.

Well that's pretty sad really.

 

[johnnybear]

I've always wondered how Pike and Vina got on after Spock beamed his old Captain down to Talos IV! To make you think what happened next for the next forty odd years shows what good writing it must have been!
JB

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Burning Dreams is an excellent prequel/sequel.

 

[johnnybear]

I have the comic book where Spock revisits Talos IV and meets the crippled Pike and Vina who now have a child together and the Klingons turn up as well!
JB

 

[XCV330]

their plans for Colt's character were so tied up with Pike, that when Jeffery Hunter did not return for the 2nd pilot, that was it for Colt. Pity, really.

 

[Nerys Myk]

their plans for Colt's character were so tied up with Pike, that when Jeffery Hunter did not return for the 2nd pilot, that was it for Colt. Pity, really.

Didn’t they just change her name to Smith and then Rand?

 

[Ssosmcin]

According to Solow and Justman, the execs didn't like a) Majel Barrett as Number One, b) most of the cast other than Jeffrey Hunter, c) the "green woman with the bumps and grinds", d) and that it wasn't a representitve episode of the series. It was too big, too expensive, too slow, etc. The network picked it because they wanted to see what Desilu could do, not necessarily because they loved the script. So they decided Trek deserved another shot. However, it had to be shot more quickly, for less money and with some cast changes. The only one they seemed to want back was Jeff Hunter, who decided he would rather do movies (his wife delivered that message).

 

[BillJ]

I have the comic book where Spock revisits Talos IV and meets the crippled Pike and Vina who now have a child together and the Klingons turn up as well!
JB

You should hunt down "The Final Mission". DC Comics Annual #2, first run. About the end of the five-year mission and their return to Talos IV.

 

[Ssosmcin]

You should hunt down "The Final Mission". DC Comics Annual #2, first run. About the end of the five-year mission and their return to Talos IV.

Isn't that the same issue JB was referring to?

The Klingon's got the Talosian telepathic powers and Kirk snapped when he had to relive Edith Keller's death. That was a pretty darned good issue.