Best Star Trek Ever
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Well for my part I don't think I have ever brought up The Orville on this board as I only just have seen it recently. As for Voyager it's everyone else that brings it up here
Since The Orville was mentioned. It is pretty good.
I personally don't dislike any previous Trek. I'm a Star Trek fan. The absolute lowest I'd rate my least favorite Trek show is a 7/10. I just happen to think DSC is currently more entertaining than most of what came between 1987 and 2004. There are certainly exceptions to that.
But fireproof78 has a fair and reasonable point. I don't find the need to go into other forums and trash shows or seasons I don't really think were great. I leave my fellow fans in peace to enjoy what they love. If I make comparisons, I make them HERE. But that isn't everyone's way, is it? And that's okay...but accusing people of having a "defense mechanism" when all we are doing is pointing out the obvious bias and double standard when comparing criticism of other shows with DSC is, in itself, a little defensive.
To not like DSC is perfectly reasonable and understandable. It's very different and very new, and bound to turn people off just like other new iterations of Trek always have. But to try and criticize it for being badly written, having crap characters, being inconsistent and violating continuity is outright hypocrisy if you don't hold other elements of the franchise, that have the same issues, to that same standard.
Well, if we're going to go with other series, we might as well go all in.
Star Trek:
TOS --> My Favorite
TNG --> It's Okay, sometimes Really Great, but sometimes it makes me cringe.
DS9 --> My Favorite of the '90s Series.
VOY --> It's Okay overall, but it really depends on the episode. It's like New England weather.
ENT --> It's the one Star Trek series I couldn't get into. It just didn't click with me.
DSC --> My Other Favorite
Other Space-Based Series:
The Orville --> I like it, I get a kick out of it.
Battlestar Galactica (2000s version) --> Great, better than anything... until it wasn't.
Farscape --> Nutty, fun, crazy, and it kept you on your toes.
Firefly --> Kicks ass and takes names.
Babylon 5 --> I've barely seen any of it. At some point before I die, I will.
Stargate (any of them) --> Not my thing.
Star Wars --> I'll see the movies, and I like them, but I'm not a hardcore fan. I'm a layman.
Doctor Who --> I like Tom Baker, David Tennant, and Matt Smith. I'm looking forward to Jodie Whittaker.
I think I've covered the major bases.
Star Trek:
TOS --> My Favorite
TNG --> It's Okay, sometimes Really Great, but sometimes it makes me cringe.
DS9 --> My Favorite of the '90s Series.
VOY --> It's Okay overall, but it really depends on the episode. It's like New England weather.
ENT --> It's the one Star Trek series I couldn't get into. It just didn't click with me.
DSC --> My Other Favorite
Other Space-Based Series:
The Orville --> I like it, I get a kick out of it.
Battlestar Galactica (2000s version) --> Great, better than anything... until it wasn't.
Farscape --> Nutty, fun, crazy, and it kept you on your toes.
Firefly --> Kicks ass and takes names.
Babylon 5 --> I've barely seen any of it. At some point before I die, I will.
Stargate (any of them) --> Not my thing.
Star Wars --> I'll see the movies, and I like them, but I'm not a hardcore fan. I'm a layman.
Doctor Who --> I like Tom Baker, David Tennant, and Matt Smith. I'm looking forward to Jodie Whittaker.
I think I've covered the major bases.
To borrow your template: (where relevant)
Star Trek:
TOS --> Sentimental favourite.
TNG --> It brought Trek back.
DS9 --> Meh
VOY --> Favourite overall
ENT --> Didn't watch.
DSC --> Dsappointing
Other Space-Based Series:
The Orville --> Enjoyable
Stargate (any of them) --> Old school ones with McGyver - I have a fondness for.
Star Wars --> Began and ended with Luke.
Doctor Who --> Seen better days.
This is literally almost word-for-word how I would frame it up for me. Creepy!
Only exceptions:
ENT: didn't care about it one bit when it first aired. Watched it on Netflix this summer, and found it to be competent to fairly good at times. Overall, I'd actually say it registers as "pretty good"
Dr. Who: Never seen a single second of it.
On this board? No. On the General Trek board? Yes.Well for my part I don't think I have ever brought up The Orville on this board as I only just have seen it recently. As for Voyager it's everyone else that brings it up here
Since The Orville was mentioned. It is pretty good.
Yeah, people will compare. It's a human function. SF Debris did it in his DISCO reviews. By the way, you might enjoy them. A lot of his points reminds me of some of your remarks as well.
I do try and keep shows comments to their own boards unless I'm responding to another show already brought up. Thing is The Orville hasn't got a board has it? There was a thread here but I was out of the loop for months, so late to the party! I think it (The Orville) shows a liking for Trek.On this board? No. On the General Trek board? Yes.
Yeah, people will compare. It's a human function. SF Debris did it in his DISCO reviews. By the way, you might enjoy them. A lot of his points reminds me of some of your remarks as well.
You don't say?
The Orville doesn't have its own forum (yet). It's got some threads in SF&F (that I haven't posted in) but that's it.
Discovery personally gives me more to talk about. With The Orville, I feel like I'd just be jumping in to say, "Yup, I liked that one!", "That joke was pretty funny!", and pretty much, virtually nothing else. I know other people get more out of it, but I'm only talking about from my perspective.
DSC, by trying to be more like Prestige TV, is going in a different creative direction that personally gives me more to work with in a discussion. Speculation about what they're doing next, what I think of the new direction, defending the choices the series makes, getting into these flawed characters' psyches, and talking about what we got right or wrong about them as revelations unfold.
I feel like I'm not just watching but actively engaged. With several other series, I feel like all I'm doing is watching. Maybe watching and enjoying, but basically just watching.
Discovery personally gives me more to talk about. With The Orville, I feel like I'd just be jumping in to say, "Yup, I liked that one!", "That joke was pretty funny!", and pretty much, virtually nothing else. I know other people get more out of it, but I'm only talking about from my perspective.
DSC, by trying to be more like Prestige TV, is going in a different creative direction that personally gives me more to work with in a discussion. Speculation about what they're doing next, what I think of the new direction, defending the choices the series makes, getting into these flawed characters' psyches, and talking about what we got right or wrong about them as revelations unfold.
I feel like I'm not just watching but actively engaged. With several other series, I feel like all I'm doing is watching. Maybe watching and enjoying, but basically just watching.
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Best Trek ever? Well, no, I don’t think so. Not yet. But the funny thing is that even though I agree with most of the criticisms that I see offered by others, the flaws don’t bother me much at all. I’m finding myself engaged with the characters, ship and universe in a way that I haven’t been since I was a kid watching the first one.
Original Trek is my favorite, and after that it all becomes kind of a muddle. For my personal enjoyment, I’d probably go: DS9, Enterprise, Voyager, TNG. But I kind of watched all those almost out of a sense of duty (the same way I watched Season 3 TOS - but there it was kind of like visiting a loved one with Alzheimers - sadness that the creation I loved was basically gone, with only a shell remaining) and often fell asleep watching them. I’d be excited a new series was coming, and then kind of let down after seeing the first few episodes. I’ve caught up on many of the later series just in the last few years on DVD. Some were better than I remembered them being.
I liked the first JJ movie, thought it was fun, and was looking forward to the next installment. By the time it finally rolled around, I was kind of irritated with the whole thing. Didn’t like Into Darkness. Beyond was okay but by then, didn’t care very much. Too much action content and not enough character moments for me to care about them. Kind of liked the Spock/Uhura thing at first, as I had seen the possibilities in the original. But it went absolutely nowhere and in fact went downhill after the first movie.
I found Orville fine. Nice to have a space show back on regular tv. I looked forward to watching it each week but found nothing very remarkable about it. There did seem to be a lot of retreading old Trek ground, but that didn’t really bother me. Doesn’t feel realistic in a way that I could immerse myself in though.
So, back to Discovery. It actually stays in my mind after I’ve watched it the way the first Trek did. I’m eager to see more of that world, to see more of the daily life on board, to see what if anything the new MA rating adds or detracts. I find these characters more believable. Sometimes I like Burnham, Tilly, Stamets, Tyler, Saru, Lorca, Cornwell and sometimes I dislike them - just like in the real world.
The first two episodes were okay but didn’t really pull me in until we settled into Discovery itself, but after that I found myself more attached each week. So I’m looking forward to the next season, and perhaps someday I will be able to say that I think Discovery was the best. A lot of the storytelling on TOS was kind of hemmed in by the restrictions of the era. You had to do a lot of reading between the lines sometimes. Discovery has a lot of freedom to go anywhere it wants if it chooses to use it.
Original Trek is my favorite, and after that it all becomes kind of a muddle. For my personal enjoyment, I’d probably go: DS9, Enterprise, Voyager, TNG. But I kind of watched all those almost out of a sense of duty (the same way I watched Season 3 TOS - but there it was kind of like visiting a loved one with Alzheimers - sadness that the creation I loved was basically gone, with only a shell remaining) and often fell asleep watching them. I’d be excited a new series was coming, and then kind of let down after seeing the first few episodes. I’ve caught up on many of the later series just in the last few years on DVD. Some were better than I remembered them being.
I liked the first JJ movie, thought it was fun, and was looking forward to the next installment. By the time it finally rolled around, I was kind of irritated with the whole thing. Didn’t like Into Darkness. Beyond was okay but by then, didn’t care very much. Too much action content and not enough character moments for me to care about them. Kind of liked the Spock/Uhura thing at first, as I had seen the possibilities in the original. But it went absolutely nowhere and in fact went downhill after the first movie.
I found Orville fine. Nice to have a space show back on regular tv. I looked forward to watching it each week but found nothing very remarkable about it. There did seem to be a lot of retreading old Trek ground, but that didn’t really bother me. Doesn’t feel realistic in a way that I could immerse myself in though.
So, back to Discovery. It actually stays in my mind after I’ve watched it the way the first Trek did. I’m eager to see more of that world, to see more of the daily life on board, to see what if anything the new MA rating adds or detracts. I find these characters more believable. Sometimes I like Burnham, Tilly, Stamets, Tyler, Saru, Lorca, Cornwell and sometimes I dislike them - just like in the real world.
The first two episodes were okay but didn’t really pull me in until we settled into Discovery itself, but after that I found myself more attached each week. So I’m looking forward to the next season, and perhaps someday I will be able to say that I think Discovery was the best. A lot of the storytelling on TOS was kind of hemmed in by the restrictions of the era. You had to do a lot of reading between the lines sometimes. Discovery has a lot of freedom to go anywhere it wants if it chooses to use it.
Well put.
Put it this way....there isn’t a character I know enough or like enough in DSC to root for, admire, use as a desktop wallpaper or buy an action figure of. The other Treks (except ENT cos I leapt off that ship before it’s engines even got tested...) all had that.
I started off excited for DSC, but...while I think it’s much much much better now...it still hasn’t taken off for me as Trek. Even VOY was exciting, but maybe that’s an age thing.
It is however, the only (official) game in town. Which means love it or hate it, it’s part of the franchise and Trek fans are gonna discuss it here. Why it fails them, or why it excites them. Once it’s off air, it’s fair to say ‘well don’t come whine in the Disco forum’ but while it’s on air, it’s the de facto face of the series. (Hence things like the mobile game using it on their icon. STO doesn’t need to, cos it’s always had its own branding and is set post TNG for the most part.)
I started off excited for DSC, but...while I think it’s much much much better now...it still hasn’t taken off for me as Trek. Even VOY was exciting, but maybe that’s an age thing.
It is however, the only (official) game in town. Which means love it or hate it, it’s part of the franchise and Trek fans are gonna discuss it here. Why it fails them, or why it excites them. Once it’s off air, it’s fair to say ‘well don’t come whine in the Disco forum’ but while it’s on air, it’s the de facto face of the series. (Hence things like the mobile game using it on their icon. STO doesn’t need to, cos it’s always had its own branding and is set post TNG for the most part.)
Struggling? Hardly it would seem:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmor...overy-is-an-unstoppable-monster/#714a0d53152e
So, it's fully compliant with all recent post 1987 and classic Star Trek then.
Got it.
In all fairness, ST:TNG really should have been called Talk Trek: The Next Conversation. They were a chatty lot.
That could be risky. Some of those shows had surround sound and unrushed fx shots. Are we sure we should do that?
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