Best Star Trek Ever

[fireproof78]

We've had 14 episodes, if someone believes that those 14 episodes are enough for DSC to claim the title of best Trek ever then fine, I, or no-one else can tell that someone they don't believe that.
No idea how anyone could possibly arrive at that conclusion based completely on 14 episodes but there you go.

My own opinion is that it's decent, the Canon violations do bug me but I've always been willing to look past that for the sake of the story unfolding.

Where I believe DSC falls down, badly, is character development and engagement, I genuinely could not give a hoot for Michael Burnham or her redemption arc. I think shes a badly written character with little redeeming features and to make her an obsession of Lorca, Phillipa and now Tyler is grating. We get it, the writers believe her to be wonderful and are not shy in telling the viewers.

Saru is getting better but his back story still needs a lot of fleshing out.

Lorca was fantastic but with a terrible ending. The rest, all 3 of them ( 4 if you count the dead Dr), I haven't been given to care about what happens to them.

For all people want to praise DSC, that's a fault I can't lay at the door of any of the others shows in their debut season.

Those are all completely fair criticisms, and that's one theme that i have noted is that if you don't care about Burnham, then the show really is a slog.

That said, one reason why I lean towards "best first season" is because I want to see what happens next. Regardless of personal investment in characters (I happen to like Burnham) this is a story that I want to see what happens next.

In comparison, other first seasons, I was pretty passive about. I didn't finish any of them in broadcast time or order.

 

[Tuvix5675]

This should be a poll in general star trek discussion forum. I've seen a lot of Star Trek, but not every movie, or every episode from every series, but the majority of movies and some episodes, and seasons from every series and I would definitely not call Star Trek Discovery the best Star Trek. I do think it had one of the better pilots, I would give it second place on that. It also has the best visuals, but the writing is what I find problematic and some of the acting.

 

[XCV330]

it's not my favorite trek series ever. TOS and the TOS crew movies were my first Trek and it's always going to be my favorite, but I will admit this has been far and away my favorite season of Trek.

 

[CorporalClegg]

At this point, I would agree it's probably the best first season since TOS overall, but DS9, VOY, and ENT S1 all had a crowning episode that Disco just hasn't achieved. Maybe the finale?

 

[cultcross]

At this point, I would agree it's probably the best first season since TOS overall, but DS9, VOY, and ENT S1 all had a crowning episode that Disco just hasn't achieved. Maybe the finale?

Yeah, there is a lack of a Duet in the mix. That's a shame, but probably a result in part of the format, most of Trek's 'great' episodes have been standalones. I hope they learn how to work in the real gems in season 2.

 

[Noname Given]

I certainly wish it were the hugely popular and most watched Star Trek series ever. That might've justified the 13 year wait. As it is, I honestly doubt it's any better received that what UPN were putting out in its dying days. The fan devotion is there and always will be, just to see new episodes, no matter how much they screw it up. Barring the odd big screen blip on the radar, I think that the franchise is still struggling to recover from damage caused by the Paramount/Viacom split. Everything can be attributed to that, from not having further seasons of Enterprise made for another network, to really poor 40th and 50th Anniversary celebrations... to the lack of subsequent spin-offs, and the constant media presence that goes with it. If only to remind TV audiences that they need Star Trek in their lives, as much as following a neverending gallery of superheroes and blood thirsty fantasy epics.

I don't think ST: D is the best Trek ever, but it's certainly better than the majority of the 24th century era series (specifically VOY and TNG.) Someone at Forbes would also disagree with regards to ST: D 'popularity':
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmor...overy-is-an-unstoppable-monster/#78ac9684152e
^^^
Just saying...

At this point, I would agree it's probably the best first season since TOS overall, but DS9, VOY, and ENT S1 all had a crowning episode that Disco just hasn't achieved. Maybe the finale?

IDK - I'd say the MU episodes (up to the point they turned Lorca from master manipulator into mustache twirling trope because of his 'need' for PU Burnham); were good - and they planned and telegraphed Lorca's MU reveal well regardless of how I feel about the ultimate resolution to his character arc. Also, the Mudd episode: Star Trek Discovery S1 Ep.7: "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad",

Those equate well to what I think was the best episode of ENT S1 - "Fallen Hero".

As for ST:YOY sorry, for me the series was crap front to back from day one. I've been watching Star Trek first run since 1969 (at age 6) and ST:VOY was the only Star trek series I gave up watching after "The 37's". I've seen other later VOY eps. recommended by friends here and the, but overall my opinion on that series hasn't changed.It's weird because I like ENT a lot (still my second favorite series after TOS) but that's provably because early one Rick Berman and Barannon Braga were so burned out - they sat back, took the cjhecks, and let others like Manny Coto and Mike Sussman have more control. (Hell, Braga went off to develop another project at the same time "The 4400" - and I wish he and Berman had kept there hands off the 4th season and allowed Manny Coto to do what he was originally planning for the finale instead of dusting off a bad finale B&B wrote when they thought ENT would be canned after S3, namely: "This Ain't The Valentine"...err, I mean "These Are The Voyages".

For me the top 3 seasons of the overall Star Trek franchise are:

TOS S1 <--- Was firing on all cylinders right out of the gate.

ENT S4 <--- And no, it wasn't 'fanwank' (IMO); they told some great stories (my favorite from that season being the "Babel One/United/Anear" mini arc); that made good use of a lot of previous Star Trek lore. I don't consider it fanwank because even if you were new to Star Trek, the stories stood well on their own. if you knew some of the lore they were incorporating into them, that was just a nice plus for longtime fans.

ST: D S1 <---- I'm still miffed they haven't even thrown us older fans a bone with maybe one real PU Constitution Class ship in one of their Fleet ship shots - same with the D7; but story and they've done okay with the characters overall and made an interesting story with only 14 episodes so far. I do wish they'd planned it just a tad better because wrapping up the War arc in just two episodes is a bit too fast (although maybe it's because I'd like to have seen Michelle Yeoh Captain the Discovery for more than one episode. )

YMMV of course.

 

[Nyotarules]

In ten years or twenty years time when its repeated on tv if I still want to watch the show then its one of the good ones. I will always watch a TOS, DS9 and even ENT episode when its on the TV, the rest (TNG and VOY) I change channels.

 

[The Lonely Man]

Those are all completely fair criticisms, and that's one theme that i have noted is that if you don't care about Burnham, then the show really is a slog.

Not sure I'd go along with that, as I said, I don't care for Burnham but I wouldn't describe the show as a slog. Far from it.

I'm usually off on a Tuesday so I look forward to my Monday night routine of getting the kids ( and wife ) off to bed then settling down with a wee cup of tea to watch the latest episode.
I've fairly enjoyed it so far, regardless of Burnham.

 

[fireproof78]

Not sure I'd go along with that, as I said, I don't care for Burnham but I wouldn't describe the show as a slog. Far from it.

Can we clarify "care for" versus "care about." To me, they are different.

 

[seigezunt]

This whole trope that it's a bad show that is just distracting people with its flashy effects is kinda insulting, TBH. I think the viewers who enjoy it aren't mindless fidget-spinner bearing hordes. It's a criticism that was tired decades ago.

It certainly looks good, but that's not why I am finding this the most consistently good first season of post-TOS Trek. I'm drawn to the characters, and the story, and the heart of the show. I don't recall looking forward to each new episode with this kind of anticipation in years. Most of the later Trek series I had to come back to appreciate after my interest waned, usually in the first season. Not Discovery. Sure, it's not perfect. It's a TV show.

I can't really compare it with TOS, though. It's just an impossible comparison and decision for this 70s kid. TOS is in my dreams. But I do think this is the best first season of new Trek by far.

 

[The Lonely Man]

Can we clarify "care for" versus "care about." To me, they are different.

Sure, I don't think she is a particularly interesting character, I find her bland,her story doesn't interest me and the inexplicable interest/obsession that Lorca, Phillipa and Tyler have with her is too much.

She is The DSC version of Wesley Crusher. For me, DSC is good in spite of Burnham rather than because of Burnham.

 

[fireproof78]

Sure, I don't think she is a particularly interesting character, I find her bland,her story doesn't interest me and the inexplicable interest/obsession that Lorca, Phillipa and Tyler have with her is too much.

She is The DSC version of Wesley Crusher. For me, DSC is good in spite of Burnham rather than because of Burnham.

I'll not particularly disagree, though she reminds me a bit more of Seven of Nine in terms of the everybody has an interest in her, as well as her backstory, to a certain degree.

That said, that's fair. My general experience has been that if individuals do not enjoy DISCO it is because they do not care about Burnham.

YMMV and all that.

 

[Wulf]

I'm honestly confused by the people that keep gushing over the series. I believe that they believe it, but I just don't get it.

I feel like I've gone to see an art show, and there's just a single canvas under a spotlight with a smiley face fingerpainted on it.

To the left of me, crowds of people gushing over the rich texture of the paint, and how the way it flows over the paper is genius.

To my right, a group of people are complimenting on its rich use of minimalism to express the artist's frustration with the plight of modern man's savagery.

And in front of me, another man looks as confused as I feel. He asks "What the fu..." but before he can even get the words out the crowds turn on him, madness in their eyes. They rip his flesh from his bones and bathe in his blood. Somebody across the room starts flicking the lightswitch on and off while another person bangs a melodic beat on the now-empty skull of the unbeliever. The rhythmic chanting of the crowd reaches a crescendo as they begin tearing off their clothes and start an animalistic orgy in the blood and entrails and flashing lights.

And I mean, I guess I can enjoy a rave-orgy as much as the next guy, but seriously... What's up with the smiley face?

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Well I wouldn't say best trek ever. I mean in my formative years ibwas watching TNG and DS9. Childhood nostalgia goes a long way with me.

But ita pretty damn good

 

[fireproof78]

And I mean, I guess I can enjoy a rave-orgy as much as the next guy, but seriously... What's up with the smiley face?

Really like the paint.

 

[Vger23]

I'm honestly confused by the people that keep gushing over the series. I believe that they believe it, but I just don't get it.

I feel like I've gone to see an art show, and there's just a single canvas under a spotlight with a smiley face fingerpainted on it.

To the left of me, crowds of people gushing over the rich texture of the paint, and how the way it flows over the paper is genius.

To my right, a group of people are complimenting on its rich use of minimalism to express the artist's frustration with the plight of modern man's savagery.

And in front of me, another man looks as confused as I feel. He asks "What the fu..." but before he can even get the words out the crowds turn on him, madness in their eyes. They rip his flesh from his bones and bathe in his blood. Somebody across the room starts flicking the lightswitch on and off while another person bangs a melodic beat on the now-empty skull of the unbeliever. The rhythmic chanting of the crowd reaches a crescendo as they begin tearing off their clothes and start an animalistic orgy in the blood and entrails and flashing lights.

And I mean, I guess I can enjoy a rave-orgy as much as the next guy, but seriously... What's up with the smiley face?

Right, I mean, it's downright INSANE that people would like different stuff. It's like....INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!1!!!

 

[fireproof78]

Right, I mean, it's downright INSANE that people would like different stuff. It's like....INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!1!!!

 

[XCV330]

We need a MACO Frank Burns on Discovery. Make him one of the Black Badge guys.

 

[Ovation]

Ah, speak for yourself.

 

[Vger23]

We need a MACO Frank Burns on Discovery. Make him one of the Black Badge guys.

WURST RIGHTING EVAR!!! WUT ABOOT TEH BLAK BAJES???? SEKSHUN 31 IS MY THERY!!!!!