Good description.
Best Star Trek Ever
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i agree.
Plus the best budget and cinematography of them all, betters most trek movies too.
I ate all the chips and that makes me sad.
Best first season, I would say, as well as highly interesting characters. Don't care if I "like" them but I am engaged with the outcome.
Discovery for me is in the weird space that say, Marvel movies are. They are well produced, and have passable writing, but they're still godawful, bland, unintelligent films that don't even do action well. (Compare the action video game cutscenes in Marvel movies to say, the insane shit you see in Mission Impossible films, can't bruise the Cruise!)
Discovery is that for me, it's very well produced, but it's not actually good and absolutely does not capture the spirit of Trek. If anything it's more like a Mass Effect TV show. I would watch S1 of TNG over S1 of Discovery any day of the week.
Discovery is that for me, it's very well produced, but it's not actually good and absolutely does not capture the spirit of Trek. If anything it's more like a Mass Effect TV show. I would watch S1 of TNG over S1 of Discovery any day of the week.
Nope.
The one thing about Star Trek movies is, even when they're shitty, the cinematography is outstanding.
There is not enough romance subplots for it to be that.
We got a long ways to go before we can properly compare the series as a whole to the others , but it is definitely tops for first season of any of the spinoffs. TOS will always hold that honor of best first season due to the budgetary and creative restraints it faced along with being so ground breaking
Best start to a series, without question. I hope it gets better and better, with a smoother produced season 2.
Um, the terraforming scene tonight...
What of it?
I certainly wish it were the hugely popular and most watched Star Trek series ever. That might've justified the 13 year wait. As it is, I honestly doubt it's any better received that what UPN were putting out in its dying days. The fan devotion is there and always will be, just to see new episodes, no matter how much they screw it up. Barring the odd big screen blip on the radar, I think that the franchise is still struggling to recover from damage caused by the Paramount/Viacom split. Everything can be attributed to that, from not having further seasons of Enterprise made for another network, to really poor 40th and 50th Anniversary celebrations... to the lack of subsequent spin-offs, and the constant media presence that goes with it. If only to remind TV audiences that they need Star Trek in their lives, as much as following a neverending gallery of superheroes and blood thirsty fantasy epics.
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I don't think Season 4 of the ENT was as well received as this season of DIS. ENT S4 got praised when compared to previous seasons of the same show, not across series.
Best first season of a spin-off. Beyond that, it's too early too declare it the "best".
The temporary death of Star Trek after ENT s4 was nothing to do with the company split and everything to do with a tired and limping franchise with nothing new to offer. Ratings had been steadily falling since TNG left the air, and ENT just wasn't doing anything to prove the show could be revived and rejuvenated, instead going with a season of fanwank aimed at the die hards still watching. It was same old, same old, from both the TV arm and the movie arm of the franchise.
The JJ films were an exercise in revitalisation, turning out something that seemed new, fresh, and aimed at the general audience of the day. It did so at least moderately successfully, a trilogy of films is a win in most people's books, but didn't really push the envelope far enough with Beyond and got stuck in a rut of very similar plots.
Now Discovery is trying to do the same on TV, take the franchise somewhere new. Some really positive steps and signs of new life, some unfortunate backsliding and relying on tropes; it remains to be seen whether it will succeed overall.
Yeah it's good (excellent as a S1 of a ST incarnation) but uneven. I don't have links (so apologies if this one of those apocryphal statements floating round the web) but Moore supposedly had his writers' bible for (at least the first 2 seasons anyway of) BSG. Whether he did or didn't, the show had high consistency in quality of story-telling, character development and realism (until ep 5 of S3 when it really began to fall apart). Fundamentally it really understood serialised sci-fi and that is what, IMHO, the writers and show-runners for S2 DSC need to learn. If they do so, then I think there is potential for S2 to hit the ball out of the park.
But they really must get their act together and learn from the various problems in S1 - they can't afford another "it's pretty good but......" list of criticisms.
But they really must get their act together and learn from the various problems in S1 - they can't afford another "it's pretty good but......" list of criticisms.
I think it gets praise as the best first season because it's telling one story and people are thinking of it as a whole. But it's not really a fair comparison when the other shows were episodic. I'd say DS9 or TOS have stronger individual episodes. How many Discovery episodes exist on their own? The time loop one? That's really a convoluted version of Cause and Effect?
People can like the show all they want, but man, some people are hyperbolic. This season has been messy and predictable and unpleasant. Lots of interesting stuff that gets ignored for more of Burnham being right even when she's pushy and insubordinate and mutinous. Give me more Saru and the background bridge people. Even Stamets. But L'Rell? Voq? Meh. Booooooring. The romances? Dull. Tilly's awkwardness? No thanks.
People can like the show all they want, but man, some people are hyperbolic. This season has been messy and predictable and unpleasant. Lots of interesting stuff that gets ignored for more of Burnham being right even when she's pushy and insubordinate and mutinous. Give me more Saru and the background bridge people. Even Stamets. But L'Rell? Voq? Meh. Booooooring. The romances? Dull. Tilly's awkwardness? No thanks.
We've had 14 episodes, if someone believes that those 14 episodes are enough for DSC to claim the title of best Trek ever then fine, I, or no-one else can tell that someone they don't believe that.
No idea how anyone could possibly arrive at that conclusion based completely on 14 episodes but there you go.
My own opinion is that it's decent, the Canon violations do bug me but I've always been willing to look past that for the sake of the story unfolding.
Where I believe DSC falls down, badly, is character development and engagement, I genuinely could not give a hoot for Michael Burnham or her redemption arc. I think shes a badly written character with little redeeming features and to make her an obsession of Lorca, Phillipa and now Tyler is grating. We get it, the writers believe her to be wonderful and are not shy in telling the viewers.
Saru is getting better but his back story still needs a lot of fleshing out.
Lorca was fantastic but with a terrible ending. The rest, all 3 of them ( 4 if you count the dead Dr), I haven't been given enough to care about what happens to them.
For all people want to praise DSC, that's a fault I can't lay at the door of any of the others shows in their debut season.
No idea how anyone could possibly arrive at that conclusion based completely on 14 episodes but there you go.
My own opinion is that it's decent, the Canon violations do bug me but I've always been willing to look past that for the sake of the story unfolding.
Where I believe DSC falls down, badly, is character development and engagement, I genuinely could not give a hoot for Michael Burnham or her redemption arc. I think shes a badly written character with little redeeming features and to make her an obsession of Lorca, Phillipa and now Tyler is grating. We get it, the writers believe her to be wonderful and are not shy in telling the viewers.
Saru is getting better but his back story still needs a lot of fleshing out.
Lorca was fantastic but with a terrible ending. The rest, all 3 of them ( 4 if you count the dead Dr), I haven't been given enough to care about what happens to them.
For all people want to praise DSC, that's a fault I can't lay at the door of any of the others shows in their debut season.
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